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View Poll Results: Would you read a book that proved the afterlife existed based on scientific findings?
I believe in an afterlife and I want to read this book 8 40.00%
I don't believe in an afterlife and think the guy has been bamboozled 6 30.00%
I don't really believe but can change my mind 4 20.00%
Nope nothing will change my mind. 2 10.00%
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:55 PM   #16
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i don't think any of us will know for sure until we've left the planet, regardless of what books we've read.
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:57 PM   #17
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until you guys read the book with an open mind..
u will not know.

Therefore I challenge you herewith to read this book.

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I guess we could all use an open mind like yours eh Diamond?

Seriously, I have an open mind regarding the possibility of an afterlife. I just don't believe anybody can prove that it is or isn't there. This guy's definitely not getting any of my money.
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Im not giving that guy one brass razoo.
Dammit that sounds so much better than what I said.
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From: http://www.csicop.org/si/2003-01/medium.html

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First, I will list here the major types of flaws in the experiments described in his first four reports (I will deal with the fifth report separately below):

1. Inappropriate control comparisons
2. Inadequate precautions against fraud and sensory leakage
3. Reliance on non-standardized, untested dependent variables
4. Failure to use double-blind procedures
5. Inadequate "blinding" even in what he calls "single blind" experiments
6. Failure to independently check on facts the sitters endorsed as true
7. Use of plausibility arguments to substitute for actual controls

The preceding list refers to defects in the conduct of the experiments and in the gathering of the data. Other very serious problems appear in the way Schwartz interprets and presents the results of his research. These include:

8. The confusion of exploratory with confirmatory findings
9. The calculation of conditional probabilities that are inappropriate and grossly misleading
10. Creating non-falsifiable outcomes by reinterpreting failures as successes
11. Inflating significance levels by failing to adjust for multiple testing and by treating unplanned comparisons as if they were planned.
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Are you going to send me a free copy of the book, because Im not giving that guy one brass razoo.

Seriously, lets judge the book by the cover. A Christian image and the title is written in Jehovahs Witness font. The target market is not sceptics. You have a bunch of them in this thread.
i checked mine out at my local librabry.

remember my opening post:Gary Schwartz was a pragmatic scientist that conducted strict experiments with some of the world's most renowned and credible mediums.
Being a skeptic himself he tried to stoop, trick and mystify these mediums. He failed and realized there is something more going on.

beli,
Dr Schwartz answers the cynical guy.
He refute pretty much everything the guy claims.

Cynical and closed minded folk needn't read this book.
Fair and open minded I challenge you to do so.

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Gary Schwartz ..... conducted strict experiments [/B]
I disagree
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Cynical and closed minded folk shouldn't read this.
Hang on a minute, you pitched this thread, as per the title, at cynics. Now you are saying cynics shouldn't read it. Please explain.
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Diamond re-read beli's quote. Only the gullible are going to buy this crap. And I mean accept, not purchase, just to clarify.
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I disagree
you need to read the data before doing a google search on a fellow that opposes Dr Schwartz.

Dr Schwartz hands that guy's ass to him.

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Hang on a minute, you pitched this thread, as per the title, at cynics. Now you are saying cynics shouldn't read it. Please explain.
An openminded cynic should read this.
Dr Schwartz was a cynic but after the overwhelming evidence and stict controls in experiments couldn't derail the results he modified his belief system a bit.

For the record Dr Schwartz is not a bible thumper even after years and years of research.


So I challenge you, read the book.
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An openminded cynic should read this.
Dr Schwartz was a cynic but after the overwhelming evidence and stict controls in experiments couldn't derail the results he modified his belief system a bit.

For the record Dr Schwartz is not a bible thumper even after years and years of research.


So I challenge you, read the book.
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I can google up a many more cynics dissecting this guys lack of scientific process. If he wants to write a book about his belief in the afterlife, so be it. But it may be fraud to suggest that he has used scientific process to come to his conclusions.

As for checking the book out of the library. I will check if its available but I doubt it. This book falls into the realm of the wanky side of the USA which isn't actually popular outside of the USA. Believe it, or not.
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An openminded cynic should read this.
Dr Schwartz was a cynic but after the overwhelming evidence and stict controls in experiments couldn't derail the results he modified his belief system a bit.

For the record Dr Schwartz is not a bible thumper even after years and years of research.


So I challenge you, read the book.
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So the guy firmly believes in his own research, how odd!!

Ah well, being the openminded cynic that I am, I searched in my university's library and in some Catholic universities' libraries (I even went as far as Belgium) and I can't find the book anywhere. It's amazing that such a piece of undeniable evidence has managed to stay out of the limelight.
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I have risen to DrTeeths challenge and searched the library catalogue at the University where I work (which is incidently one of the largest research Universitys in the country), and, nope, its not in the collection.

Maybe I can email the author and he will send me a free copy.
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I have found it in a library in my state.

The dewey decimal number for the book is

133.9013 SCH

which according to the Dewey Decimal System is for:

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133 Parapsychology & occultism
ie the library system has not classified this book as scientific research.
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And Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

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Search Books by subject:
Alternate Spirituality
Body, Mind & Spirit
New Age
Parapsychology
Parapsychology - General
Spirituality - General
Body, Mind & Spirit / Parapsychology
I used to have an ISBN website bookmarked but I appear to have misplaced it... hmm...
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