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Old 07-18-2008, 02:33 AM   #16
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Pick an album for me and I'll order it.
A Liturgy, A Legacy, and A Ragamuffin Band. That was his "Joshua Tree" (or AB or whatever. . you get the picture.

After that I would recommend "The World As Best as I Remember It Vol. 1"

Both of those albums stopped me dead in my tracks the first time I heard them.

To get a sense of of who he was the video, "Homeless Man" is key (that's where I got this quote from). I've never been more moved or inspired by an hour of people sitting around talking and paying tribute to a dead guy.
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Just ordered the first CD and the "Homeless Man" video. PS, love the title of the CD.
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Just ordered the first CD and the "Homeless Man" video. PS, love the title of the CD.
Can't wait to hear what you think!

I hope I didn't raise your expectations too high. . .

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i see ... so we are to take cigarette smoking as less of a threat to the general health of a population than we are a minority-of-a-minority of gay people having unprotected sex with anonymous partners?
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I don't think the risks are exagerrated, but I probably fall into Rich Mullins' court. I'm a pleasure person. I'm not going to live forever regardless. I figure on my deathbed, I'm going to far more regret what I didn't do than what I did. I think I'm going to take more pleasure in the memory of the butter pecan ice cream on German chocolate cake than I will on the carrotsticks. I accept the tradeoff.

so, not a question for you, but more of one for the OP: could gay men not say the same thing about using (or not) condoms?
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I don't think the risks are exagerrated, but I probably fall into Rich Mullins' court. I'm a pleasure person. I'm not going to live forever regardless. I figure on my deathbed, I'm going to far more regret what I didn't do than what I did. I think I'm going to take more pleasure in the memory of the butter pecan ice cream on German chocolate cake than I will on the carrotsticks. I accept the tradeoff.
That used to be my thinking as well but I've modified it since. Basically, it's not about what I'll remember at the end of life so much as how pleasant my life will be while I'm here. So I wouldn't smoke because that really impedes some things, like for example lung capacity (important to me because mine is not fantastic due to allergies and Ii'm very active). It also explains why I really changed my eating habits when I turned 25 or so - I just felt infinitely BETTER and that made me happier in the long run.

Of course, I am a very huge fan of chocolate and it's really, REALLY hard not to eat a pound a day....
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I don't get the point of this thread at all. He isn't the first one, and he won't be the last one, who is enjoying a pretty long live although he has been smoking since age 14.
Nowhere does it stand that cigarettes will in 100 percent of the cases kill you. He also isn't proving any findings on the health risks of smoking wrong.

And he and his wife both apologized for having had a cigarette at the theater in Hamburg on January 1st. They didn't think of the ban that just came into power, and the staff of the theater placed ashtrays on the tables. They haven't smoked anywhere where it's illegal since.

I agree with you on the Keiser guy. But seriously, that guy really is a very extreme case and I would qualify his obsession with smoking as a mental illness. Except for that guy and maybe a few others' this incident really was nothing to bat an eye over.
His case, as a little update, never made it before court. A few cigarettes don't qualify as physical injury, so there was no real case.

Since introduction of the ban of cigarettes in public places the sales of cigarettes have decreased, by 8.6 percent in the first quarter and by another 5 percent in the second.
One reason why many people have continued smoking in bar is, as always, the first six months it were considered a transitional period, so it wasn't enforced.
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I don't get the point of this thread at all. He isn't the first one, and he won't be the last one, who is enjoying a pretty long live although he has been smoking since age 14.
Nowhere does it stand that cigarettes will in 100 percent of the cases kill you. He also isn't proving any findings on the health risks of smoking wrong.

And he and his wife both apologized for having had a cigarette at the theater in Hamburg on January 1st. They didn't think of the ban that just came into power, and the staff of the theater placed ashtrays on the tables. They haven't smoked anywhere where it's illegal since.

I agree with you on the Keiser guy. But seriously, that guy really is a very extreme case and I would qualify his obsession with smoking as a mental illness. Except for that guy and maybe a few others' this incident really was nothing to bat an eye over.
His case, as a little update, never made it before court. A few cigarettes don't qualify as physical injury, so there was no real case.

Since introduction of the ban of cigarettes in public places the sales of cigarettes have decreased, by 8.6 percent in the first quarter and by another 5 percent in the second.
One reason why many people have continued smoking in bar is, as always, the first six months it were considered a transitional period, so it wasn't enforced.
Hey now, Vince. . . Stop making sense.

You'll ruin all the fun!
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