9/11: The most over-rated thing ever?

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diamond said:
Raven-
I think you are giving you and your fellow Satanists a bad rap,
when you take this postion of the loss of innocent human-life.

Innocent human life is significant to you, correct?

God's love and understanding to you
:)

DB9

I cannot give other Satanist a bad rep. Unlike other religions, we dont all conform to the herd and act like one another. One Satanists opinion can be the opposite from another Satanists opinion. Just because I think this way, doesnt mean someone else will.
 
RavenStar said:
Is it just me or is Sept.11 way over-rated? Now, I know people died and building collapsed and stuff but don't you think America has taken it too far? I just saw a commercial for a book about 9/11 called The Day the World Collapsed. I think America (not really the people of America) want the world to pity them so much. People call 9/11 the greatest tragedy to America in the last 100 years. That isnt the real tragety though. The real tragety is in the streets of America where people are being raped, kidnapped, killed, and more EVERY SINGLE DAY. So is the reason 9/11 is so important is because someone else other than America itself has caused the trouble?
:rant: :yell:

Actually Ravenstar, here's what you said (above). If you meant to say 'all the merchandise is overrated' ... you should have said that. Your post does not read that way - at all.

Joel
 
i couldn't imagine this happening to someone i know.

RavenStar said:
I can easily put my family, friend, etc in those buildings. It is still no reason to take something as tragic as that and shove in people's faces.


i am so disturbed by this response. your own mother? your best of ALL best friends? what if you saw your best friend on the 80th floor waving a towel for help, knowing full well there was no hope? hmm? or if you saw them fall hundreds of feet to concrete? hmm? you could do that and still be ok?



and although other religions may ban together, i should hope you aren't about to judge them as you so hate to be judged.



perspective is key.
 
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Re: i couldn't imagine this happening to someone i know.

Lilly said:



i am so disturbed by this response. your own mother? your best of ALL best friends? what if you saw your best friend on the 80th floor waving a towel for help, knowing full well there was no hope? hmm? or if you saw them fall hundreds of feet to concrete? hmm? you could do that and still be ok?

Lilly, she hasnt answered my 'difficult' questions yet... stand in line. ;)

Maybe, she's just avoiding them... ya know?

Joel
 
Just because I know someone in the buildings does not make it right for me to go shoving it in other peoples faces. I did know someone in those buildings.

BTW
Elvis, I get your point, I just dont agree with it. I hope you feel the same way.
 
the one problem i *think* happens when someone mentions 9/11 as being overrated, or something else, is, well...let me try to word this so it makes sense...

imo, i think PARTS of the tragedy are, not overrated or anything, but disgusting. what happened is disgusting in a "i can't believe these people were sick enough to do this" but what happened afterwards is a different kind of disgusting.

believe me, i think what happened was horrible. 1000s of people have died, the city of new york was and still is in turmoil, and people all over the world are still shaken by this and even worse, have lost their loved ones.

unfortunately, there's the other kind of disgusting. the sick fucks who take this event and glamorize it. not the supporters in afghanistan, i'm not talking politically, but economically. so many hicks with a computer have created bumper sticks, shirts, etc. and made it seem as trivial as a hallmark holiday. THAT is what disgusts me and makes me not look forward to the day marking the one year anniversary.

everywhere i turn, i see osama bin laden's picture printed on a target practice sheet or dartboard, some cheesy shirt that cost 50 cents to make that's being sold for $30 with an american flag on it, etc. it's the crass commercialism of 9/11 that makes me mad. so many holidays, happy events, have been made into a mere day where many don't even know why the day is special. but 9/11 is different. it's not a happy day. it doesn't mark the day a religious figure was born, pilgrims landed ashore america, or the dawn of a new year. it marks the day thousands of people died because of some sick fucks.
 
Re: Re: i couldn't imagine this happening to someone i know.

Elvis said:


Lilly, she hasnt answered my 'difficult' questions yet... stand in line. ;)

Maybe, she's just avoiding them... ya know?

Joel

Yea, I think she is avoiding them
 
KhanadaRhodes said:
the one problem i *think* happens when someone mentions 9/11 as being overrated, or something else, is, well...let me try to word this so it makes sense...

imo, i think PARTS of the tragedy are, not overrated or anything, but disgusting. what happened is disgusting in a "i can't believe these people were sick enough to do this" but what happened afterwards is a different kind of disgusting.

believe me, i think what happened was horrible. 1000s of people have died, the city of new york was and still is in turmoil, and people all over the world are still shaken by this and even worse, have lost their loved ones.

unfortunately, there's the other kind of disgusting. the sick fucks who take this event and glamorize it. not the supporters in afghanistan, i'm not talking politically, but economically. so many hicks with a computer have created bumper sticks, shirts, etc. and made it seem as trivial as a hallmark holiday. THAT is what disgusts me and makes me not look forward to the day marking the one year anniversary.

everywhere i turn, i see osama bin laden's picture printed on a target practice sheet or dartboard, some cheesy shirt that cost 50 cents to make that's being sold for $30 with an american flag on it, etc. it's the crass commercialism of 9/11 that makes me mad. so many holidays, happy events, have been made into a mere day where many don't even know why the day is special. but 9/11 is different. it's not a happy day. it doesn't mark the day a religious figure was born, pilgrims landed ashore america, or the dawn of a new year. it marks the day thousands of people died because of some sick fucks.

THIS is what I have been trying to say all along. Thank you KhanadaRhodes for helping me get my idea across to these people.
 
KhanadaRhodes said:
the one problem i *think* happens when someone mentions 9/11 as being overrated, or something else, is, well...let me try to word this so it makes sense...

imo, i think PARTS of the tragedy are, not overrated or anything, but disgusting. what happened is disgusting in a "i can't believe these people were sick enough to do this" but what happened afterwards is a different kind of disgusting.

believe me, i think what happened was horrible. 1000s of people have died, the city of new york was and still is in turmoil, and people all over the world are still shaken by this and even worse, have lost their loved ones.

unfortunately, there's the other kind of disgusting. the sick fucks who take this event and glamorize it. not the supporters in afghanistan, i'm not talking politically, but economically. so many hicks with a computer have created bumper sticks, shirts, etc. and made it seem as trivial as a hallmark holiday. THAT is what disgusts me and makes me not look forward to the day marking the one year anniversary.

everywhere i turn, i see osama bin laden's picture printed on a target practice sheet or dartboard, some cheesy shirt that cost 50 cents to make that's being sold for $30 with an american flag on it, etc. it's the crass commercialism of 9/11 that makes me mad. so many holidays, happy events, have been made into a mere day where many don't even know why the day is special. but 9/11 is different. it's not a happy day. it doesn't mark the day a religious figure was born, pilgrims landed ashore america, or the dawn of a new year. it marks the day thousands of people died because of some sick fucks.

I agree with this... but I disagree with how Ravenstar trivialized the loss of life, and the event. To me.. that in itself is disgusting.

By the way... I'm really wondering what a "satanist" sees in U2 ... not exactly the book of the devil, thats for sure. lol.
 
RavenStar said:


THIS is what I have been trying to say all along. Thank you KhanadaRhodes for helping me get my idea across to these people.

*sigh*
Once again, my remarks go ignored. Please refer to my previous post inwhich I quoted your ORIGINAL post.
 
Elvis said:


By the way... I'm really wondering what a "satanist" sees in U2 ... not exactly the book of the devil, thats for sure. lol.

Getting off topic just alittle....
What I see in U2. I see a band who stands up for what they believe in. A band who does not keep there mouths shut because other people might take offence. A band who Help people in need without trivialising there grief. A band who understands.
 
Just a bit of commentary:

Being able to communicate an idea properly... really helps avoid conflict. People should think before they post, espcially about sensitive topics.

Joel
 
RavenStar said:


Getting off topic just alittle....
What I see in U2. I see a band who stands up for what they believe in. A band who does not keep there mouths shut because other people might take offence. A band who Help people in need without trivialising there grief. A band who understands.

Exactly. So I guess 75% or more of Africa thats infected with HIV/AIDS -IS- important to you, as opposed to only 3000 that died in the WTC?

*confused*

Joel
 
Elvis said:


*sigh*
Once again, my remarks go ignored. Please refer to my previous post inwhich I quoted your ORIGINAL post.

I did read your remarks. I just wanted to tell Khanada that I agreed with her. Elvis, I know you understand (I think) what I was trying to say and I just want other to understand too before they go saying things without knowing the whole situation(as in what I was thinking)
 
and I have one more remark....

(imagine that) ;)

So... during Elevation Tour... you liked or disliked the names of the dead being projected?
 
Elvis said:


Exactly. So I guess 75% or more of Africa thats infected with HIV/AIDS -IS- important to you, as opposed to only 3000 that died in the WTC?

*confused*

Joel

Atleast the 3000 people that died got to live in one of the greatest countries in the world. Those people in Africa, they havent even had the chance to live how people in America get to live. I betchya most people in Africa would love to live for only 20 years in America (or any similar country) and then die. It is way better than dying of a disease you have had most (or all) of your life in a place where life is barely worth living without disease.
 
Elvis said:
and I have one more remark....

(imagine that) ;)

So... during Elevation Tour... you liked or disliked the names of the dead being projected?

I see nothing wrong with it. Those people need to have their story told. But everywhere I look is not the place. The names were appropriate at the time. I dont think a hat or a shirt that portrays Ground Zero as a tourist attraction is appropriate.
 
RavenStar said:


I did read your remarks. I just wanted to tell Khanada that I agreed with her. Elvis, I know you understand (I think) what I was trying to say and I just want other to understand too before they go saying things without knowing the whole situation(as in what I was thinking)




honestly....I don't even see how you are qualified to issue a statement on what is a tragedy and what isn't. That' borders on playing god. It happened in our backyard...and we as americans will react to it as we choose to. Oh and if you ahve problem with 9/11 being everywhere you look...close your eyes....oh wait..you already have. You can't have compassion selectivly...based on who dies of what.
 
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Arun V said:





honestly....I don't even see how you are qualified to issue a statement on what is and isnt' overrated....it happened in our backyard...and we as americans will react to it as we choose to. Oh and if you ahve problem with 9/11 being everywhere you look...close your eyes....oh wait..you already have

It happened next door to me. I have just as much right to have an opinion on it as you do. You should know this. Your counrty is based on free will. Yet you say I shouldnt comment on something. And if you dont want to read my opinions then dont. Close your eyes. You might realise that seeing isnt everything.
 
RavenStar said:


It happened next door to me. I have just as much right to have an opinion on it as you do. You should know this. Your counrty is based on free will. Yet you say I shouldnt comment on something. And if you dont want to read my opinions then dont. Close your eyes. You might realise that seeing isnt everything.




It's your RIGHT to say whatever you want

Common sense and decency sometimes requie you keeping your mouth shut
 
RavenStar said:


At least the 3000 people that died got to live in one of the greatest countries in the world. Those people in Africa, they havent even had the chance to live how people in America get to live. I betchya most people in Africa would love to live for only 20 years in America (or any similar country) and then die. It is way better than dying of a disease you have had most (or all) of your life in a place where life is barely worth living without disease.

This post is almost as offensive as your first one, if that's possible.

Are you trying to say that the people who were murdered on 9/11 should consider themselves lucky?
 
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I think they should consider themselves lucky because they got to live in an amazing country. Not because they died.
 
RavenStar said:


I cannot give other Satanist a bad rep. Unlike other religions, we dont all conform to the herd and act like one another. One Satanists opinion can be the opposite from another Satanists opinion. Just because I think this way, doesnt mean someone else will.

Umm
ok then but you are giving us "humans" a bad rap..

Your views re this topic come accross as being "sub-human"

Your understanding of Satanism doent espouse subhuman beliefs does it?:huh:

DB9:dance: :wave: :cool:
 
diamond said:


Umm
ok then but you are giving us "humans" a bad rap..

Your views re this topic come accross as being "sub-human"

Your understanding of Satanism doent espouse subhuman beliefs does it?:huh:

DB9:dance: :wave: :cool:

Im not quite sure what you mean by sub-human.
 
OOOOH OK


I understand raven star now....IT"S OK EVERBODY



see raven star is now able to judge whose life is worth what because of where they lived and how they lived. Obviously living in an affluent nation makes it ok if you just happen to be murdered in cold blood by extremists.
 
Arun V said:
OOOOH OK


I understand raven star now....IT"S OK EVERBODY



see raven star is now able to judge whose life is worth what because of where they lived and how they lived. Obviously living in an affluent nation makes it ok if you just happen to be murdered in cold blood by extremists.

*sigh* you just dont get it do you? I'm saying I would rather live for 20 years in America and then die then live 20 years in a country where I am starving and dying of disease.I'm not saying its okay, Im just saying it could be worse.
 
RavenStar said:
I think they should consider themselves lucky because they got to live in an amazing country. Not because they died.

What bout all those americans raped and murdered and kidnapped in this great country? They are lucky too?
And while we're at it... I suppose anyone murdered should be 'lucky' to have lived at all?

Man you have a fucked up sense of reality.
Your scales are tipped.
 
*sigh* YOU dont' get it do you



it's not your decision to make


and it's not your job to assign quantitative sentimentality to ppl's lives.
 
RavenStar said:


Im not quite sure what you mean by sub-human.

Well plez have the "satanists" that oppose the actions of the maniacs on 9/11 pray for your enlightenment..on what is humane conduct and inhumane conduct..;)

ok?:)
thank u
DB9
 
Like I said. Being killed, raped, etc, is NOT lucky. Having lived in a good country IS lucky.
 
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