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Old 09-11-2002, 06:33 PM   #151
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800 000 people died in a course of 8 months and the world barely even blinked.
A good, valid point. It is my belief that tragedies can not be 'overrated' as such, its that other tragedies are 'underrated'.

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Old 09-11-2002, 08:54 PM   #152
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A student who shared a house with me died in flight 93.
I won't be over this for awhile.
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Old 09-11-2002, 09:02 PM   #153
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I think Anthony and Sparky said what they did very well.

This thread does not need to be shut down, to those who've said that it should be. We should be able to voice our opinions, no matter how out there some of them may be. I think Raven's words were taken out of context and misintepreted, I think that's the problem here.

And now I have some personal thoughts:

I too absolutely hate it when people capitalize on a tragedy such as this one. I think it's sick when people do that.

And I did cry last year. I cried for the families and friends who lost loved ones. My sympathies are with everyone out there who's lost someone to this.

However, the excessive coverage-all that will do is get people all riled up and angry again. I understand that we will talk about it. But it's practically everywhere-it will just depress people and get them all pissed off again and everything.

And I am curious as to a couple of things:

First off, we center, like, 90% of our coverage on New York City. It's like we almost forget at times that there was a plane that crashed in Pennsylvania and in Washington, D.C.

And second, right after the attacks, I hear of these great stories of these firefighters helping people, and random strangers helping people, and donating blood and money and all that good stuff. And that's the America I like to see.

But then we turn right around, and this same country that had such kindness shown is the same country that has people harassing innocent Arabs and Muslims who live here because they may have "connections" to the terrorists. And then to make matters worse, we have people here who support Bush's decision to send people to Afghanistan and attack right back. I would think after the attacks that we as a country, since we know what it's like to lose innocent people who never did anything to those terrorists, would feel that retaliation would be a hypocritical move on our part.

But no, we go and inflict the same pain on a country that was inflicted on us. More innocent people are killed because we can't find a better way to solve our problem with Afghanistan. The innocent people over there weren't the ones who killed civilians here, so why do they have to be punished for the mistakes of a few? You know, just like when we asked why innocent people over here had to be punished because the terrorists didn't like the way we did things here. And it just angers me, and now I'm not only angry at the terrorists, I'm angry at our government for being so hypocritical and retaliating.

I know those of you who feel we should have gone over there are gonna strongly disagree with me, which is fine. I'm not hoping to sway anyone here with what I say. It's just the pacifist in me coming out. .

And now that I've vented that stuff, and getting back on topic here, Raven, I get what you were trying to say, it just got taken the wrong way by some people, that's all.

And I hope this thread is not closed. There's a lot of interesting discussion going on here, and I fully believe everyone should have the chance to air their opinions here.

So let us continue onward with this discussion (you know what I just thought would be a cool smiley to have on here? A peace symbol).

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Old 09-11-2002, 10:07 PM   #154
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I brought up the commercialised aspect of 9/11 in class today. I asked my class if thye remember the genocide in Rwanda. None of them had even heard of it. 800 000 people died in a course of 8 months and the world barely even blinked.
I'd like to chip in once more to say that although I still stand by my previous comments about you taking ppl's emotions for a ride, I also think it is commendable that you are concerned with other incidents happening in far away nations. It's very good to know that you're setting an example for your mates in being globally aware. I think it was sharky who mentioned that Americans have never before been so ignorant about the world around them?

Based on what I've read from your other threads and comments in this forum, though, I've noticed a trend in your stance; so I'm compelled to ask, and this is an honest qn: In most matters, is your primary concern to muckrake other peoples' hypocrisies? My key words are 'primary concern'.

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Old 09-12-2002, 07:36 AM   #155
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Thats a good question foray. I wouldnt say it is my primary concern though. My primary concern would be me. I do like to point out people's hypocrises though. Especially those who say that arent hypocritical and that they hate hypocrites. but really, in a way we're all hypocritical at one point. I just try not to be and I'm sure others do but it can be hard sometimes. Most hypocrises can be avoided by puttin oneself into the other's shoes. It's hard, but possible.
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yes, "putting oneself in others shoes"
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Old 09-12-2002, 05:08 PM   #157
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I cant believe I forgot the "g" on putting.
*smakes self in head*
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My primary concern would be me.
This explains your original post......
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Old 09-13-2002, 07:01 AM   #159
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This explains your original post......
In what way?
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Sharky, are u shouting at me for watching it????

feels that way.....

however, blame media, not the watcher......................even though the watcher has a choice, she/he did not fit it into TV programmes schedule


besides I would say they did it to reconstruct close to what woulda happened and based on what was said..................

I told u, I found it sad....

they have reconstructed LOTS of disasters, including Zebrugga, Lockerbie, Liverpool stand where 90 fans were squashed to death........etc etc...all sad to watch but I dont think its wrong to put on.................

yes, I know this post sounds dumb............ Sharky.....


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Well, see, my dad and I were talking today...and my dad said that if you want to remember 9/11 in your own private way, that's fine.

But as a nation...devoting the entire day to coverage of the event will only get the terrorists out there even more excited...that's what they want is for us to make a big deal over that day, it's giving them the attention they wanted.

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Re: 9/11: The most over-rated thing ever?

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Is it just me or is Sept.11 way over-rated? Now, I know people died and building collapsed and stuff but don't you think America has taken it too far? I just saw a commercial for a book about 9/11 called The Day the World Collapsed. I think America (not really the people of America) want the world to pity them so much. People call 9/11 the greatest tragedy to America in the last 100 years. That isnt the real tragety though. The real tragety is in the streets of America where people are being raped, kidnapped, killed, and more EVERY SINGLE DAY. So is the reason 9/11 is so important is because someone else other than America itself has caused the trouble?
i sort of agree with the sentiment but not the flippant way to put it.

it is a disgrace the way on sep11th all the papers had like "12page pullouts on the day the world changed from your sharing caring newspaper". Bullshit. they just want to sell more papers.

i also dont agree with the word "overrated". there are americans attacking each other on the streets every day, murders robbery, rapes. But we dont see this on tv-"out of sight, out of mind" anyone??

also, even tho americans have every right to feel violated or whatever, this indignation is disproportionate to the indignation felt at the stuff that goes on there every day on the streets. What, so its ok for americans to do shit to each other but not other people??

and nobody ever mentions the stuff america did to afghanistan etc.

but it was a horrible horrible tragedy, the lives of thousands of INNOCENt people were destroyed. And therein lies the tragedy.
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A good, valid point. It is my belief that tragedies can not be 'overrated' as such, its that other tragedies are 'underrated'.

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Old 09-19-2002, 03:02 PM   #164
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I think anthony should win a FYM award on this forum. No matter how he feels, he always tries (I think) to look at both sides of the situation. He sometimes seems like a ref on here. He is one of the only people here that can sort things out between two sides. Get what I mean?
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yeah sometimes a ref needs to come in and stop a fight when one side is getting beaten up so badly
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