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Numerious FBI agents have tried to come forward but have been hushed or threathened. The media won't cover their story anyway. They are ridiculed just like I am. Fox network is owned by the NeoNazi's. And it is possible to keep such a secret for a long time with many people involved. Take for instance the Manhatten project. Thousands involved. Area 51. Thousands work there every day. They won't and can't talk about it. CIA people is in on it so off course they won't talk. The company that cleaned up the WTC site is called "Controlled Demolition" :) They also cleaned up after the Oklahoma "terror incident" Took the rest of that building down. Wonder who in that firm is connected to the Bush regime :)
 
ArthDent said:
Numerious FBI agents have tried to come forward but have been hushed or threathened. The media won't cover their story anyway. They are ridiculed just like I am. Fox network is owned by the NeoNazi's. And it is possible to keep such a secret for a long time with many people involved. Take for instance the Manhatten project. Thousands involved. Area 51. Thousands work there every day. They won't and can't talk about it. CIA people is in on it so off course they won't talk. The company that cleaned up the WTC site is called "Controlled Demolition" :) They also cleaned up after the Oklahoma "terror incident" Took the rest of that building down. Wonder who in that firm is connected to the Bush regime :)
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owned by Neo-Nazis? This is getting absurd....well....:|
 
These are well known facts.. That if you research around the web you will find info on. Here is for example info on another project the Gov thought up in the 60's. To show you how far they are willing to go to create support for millitary action, upping funding and chaning the laws.


"Operation Northwoods, which if you don't know, was a plan drawn up by high ranking U.S. officials to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and in Cuba using hijacked airplanes and blame it on Cuba to create public support and justification for war against Cuba. That was back in March 1962"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
 
Same thing over and over. They let it happen or do something themselves to create support for their cause and scare people into accepting changes. Pearl Harbour, Oklahoma, 9-11, London Bombing etc etc
 
ArthDent said:
These are well known facts.. That if you research around the web you will find info on. Here is for example info on another project the Gov thought up in the 60's. To show you how far they are willing to go to create support for millitary action, upping funding and chaning the laws.

"Operation Northwoods, which if you don't know, was a plan drawn up by high ranking U.S. officials to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and in Cuba using hijacked airplanes and blame it on Cuba to create public support and justification for war against Cuba. That was back in March 1962"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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"Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. If you look to the left of the aircraft you'll see we've just passed the 'Point of No Return' in this thread. Hopefully we'll be returning to Earth shortly whereby you can all resume your normal thought processes. Thank you for choosing Air 'No-Source', and have a pleasant flight."
 
ArthDent said:
These are well known facts.. That if you research around the web you will find info on. Here is for example info on another project the Gov thought up in the 60's. To show you how far they are willing to go to create support for millitary action, upping funding and chaning the laws.


"Operation Northwoods, which if you don't know, was a plan drawn up by high ranking U.S. officials to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and in Cuba using hijacked airplanes and blame it on Cuba to create public support and justification for war against Cuba. That was back in March 1962"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
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Adenauer, the first German chancellor, thought of dropping a nuclear bomb on the GDR.


So many thinks have been thought of, many of them were stupid or sick, but they didn't have been carried out. Either because someone stopped people from doing that or because it was obvious that the truth would come out.

Something like 9/11 wouldn't be staged for both and emany more reasons.

I think every single post from you is part of a joke. I really can't believe soemone is that stupid.
 
BTW Hitler did burn down his own Parlament building and blamed it on the russians! Took away rights and gave the desired effect to the public. It's beeing done over and over! Learn from history!

I will rejoice the day you guys find out that you have been fooled by Bush and his minions. But I guess even if your dear daddy tell you he did it himself you will not believe him. Because you are helplessly narrowminded. Thanks for ruining this thread. Farewell!
 
Hitler did burn down the parliament and blamed the German communists!

Don't tell me facts about my country that are wrong!

He ordered to kill leader of the SA, Ernst Roehm, and said he was a gay plalnning a conspiracy.

He blamed the Jews for pretty much everything.

He killed more than six million Jews, gays, disabled, Sinti and Roma, communists and so on.

He gave German people work that made them happy, because in their desire for a better future they were blind to see that all the work that was created simply prepared Germany for the war.

And international leaders let him do, although he pretty much described what he is going to do in his book Mein Kampf, written during his imprisonment in the mid-1920's, because they just thought he can't mean it sincere.


The day we will actually find out Bush has fooled us will be the day guys like you finally will come up with facts, backed by reliable sources, that we have reason to believe.

But I know this day will never come, and that is not only because you are too incompetent to do so.
 
ArthDent said:
Numerious FBI agents have tried to come forward but have been hushed or threathened. The media won't cover their story anyway. They are ridiculed just like I am. Fox network is owned by the NeoNazi's. And it is possible to keep such a secret for a long time with many people involved. Take for instance the Manhatten project. Thousands involved. Area 51. Thousands work there every day. They won't and can't talk about it. CIA people is in on it so off course they won't talk. The company that cleaned up the WTC site is called "Controlled Demolition" :) They also cleaned up after the Oklahoma "terror incident" Took the rest of that building down. Wonder who in that firm is connected to the Bush regime :)
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Name some sources for your allegations or stop making them. You look really uneducated when you make wild allegations without a lick of viable evidence to back it up - besides some youtube/google video links.

Give some evidence that Fox Network is owned by the NeoNazis. Give some evidence that FBI agents are being hushed up. Give some evidence that someone in Controlled Demolition is linked to Bush.

Oh, by the way, I watched the clip you linked to about Mr. William Rodriguez. I find absolutely nothing in that clip that provides anything besides personal opinions as to what actually caused the buildings to collapse. This guy, who claims to be a lowly hero from the event, now goes around speaking (and I'm assuming collecting money when he does so) about how he saved people, and then throws in a few personal opinions about what happened.

That's not evidence.
 
ArthDent said:
Because you are helplessly narrowminded. Thanks for ruining this thread. Farewell!
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Oh, this thread was ruined from the first post!

You keep saying you're leaving, and yet you keep posting.
 
Actually, I've been there either and have seen everything.
I'm at the moment making a video interview I'll put on google.videos and youtube (yes, on both!) describing what I've seen and how Iheard an explosion in the basement and I even have seen a suspicious guy two days before 9/11. I'll tell you all that in that video I'm just producing, so it should be a reliable source, shouldn't it?

I mean, it's a video, and it's on the internet. Can I do anything more to proof my story?
 
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The day we will actually find out Bush has fooled us will be the day guys like you finally will come up with facts, backed by reliable sources, that we have reason to believe.

But I know this day will never come, and that is not only because you are too incompetent to do so."

I said from the start that I am not going to go about prooving this once and for all. It is very tiresome and I do not really care about it. Others with more resources can do that job.

Just wanted to check the feel among other U2 fans on this issue. Not discuss it to death among people who never would believe anything shown them. But that is ok you are entitled to that opinion as I am to mine. No need for harassing.

Take a deep breath.. and be kind :)
 
ArthDent said:
Norway. Why?
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because it's quite offensive to suggest that someone's government deliberately and callously killed 3,000 of its own citizens.

there aren't too many people who dislike Bush more than i do, but the theories you're suggesting offend even me.

this has nothing to do with facing the truth or seeing reality. you're making poorly substantiated accusations based on very little and using that to indict an entire country, and it's leader (however unpopular he might be, and he is very unpopular these days), in some sort of global conspiracy well beyond the grasp of a James Bon supervillian.
 
OK, so we're still going. I propose we don't progress until we get an answer to the following question:

Arth, WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES?

Google/YouTube videos don't count. Give us something scholarly, complete with citations and references so that its evidence and conclusions are verifiable. In other words, give us something believeable. I'm sure most people in this thread would be happy to take your posts seriously if you could provide sufficient cause for them to do so.

Please stop dodging this question. If you want this thread to progress in a serious manner instead of with ridicule and humour, you pretty much need to answer it.
 
What is this ridicule about the internet and youtube etc Yes it is on the internet and therefor automatically bullshit? I hate yes HATE these narrowminded thinking. That means that everything you say and write on this forum is utter bullshit also. Where is the logic? If someone scans every page of the Bible, put it on the internet as a youtube movie or as a flash picture slideshow.. then what? Is it not the bible? The internet has been here for well over 10 years and served us well. It is a great way of sharing information. It it not 100% bullshit! It's like the myths that everything is all about porn and nothing else.. Yeah like that is true. It's like watching TV. You get lots of info but you have to differenciate between fact and fiction. No one tells you what is what. It's your job right?

And about me claiming that yourt government killed 3000 people.. Well what about the thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan? The Governments fault! They invaded on flase premisses! Lied to you! Over 3000 US soldiers dead right? Plus countless civillians! All the same! You get my drift?
 
ArthDent said:
And about me claiming that yourt government killed 3000 people.. Well what about the thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan? The Governments fault! They invaded on flase premisses! Lied to you! Over 3000 US soldiers dead right? Plus countless civillians! All the same! You get my drift?
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no! it is NOT the same.

there is a total difference between 3,000 people who were killed because they happened to be going to work on a sunny tuesday than the soldiers and civilians who have been killed as part of a major military operation.

this is not to say that one life is more valuable than the next; but it is to say that context does matter when evaluating the actions of a government.

your thinking is EXTREMELY simplistic.
 
Arth, the reason YouTube is not a very good source is because even I can put a video up on YouTube. Anyone with basic video editing software can put together some low-res clips, make a conspiracy movie, throw in some unsourced and unsubstantiated or distorted "facts", and put it on YouTube.

The problem is not with the Internet itself. The problem is with whether or not the source's evidence and conclusions are referenced and verifiable. In my academic work, I use the Internet as a source all the time - scholarly databases such as JSTOR are fantastic, much better than any paper library. When I use sources from there, I can check to see if its claims have references so I can verify them. Can you produce evidence of that calibre? Can you produce referenced articles from peer-reviewed academic journals? That's the sort of stuff that will end the ridicule and start serious dialogue.

So, I ask again, WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES?
 
I posted links earlier to the demolition of WTC7 and a 50 minutes eye witness story. He talks about everything he experienced. He was a generator in WTC towers. Worked there for 20 years. He was offered high positions, book, movie etc but turned down millions in order to tell his story. Why should he be lying like this? His facts involve people he helped survive etc. Please do watch it in full. But again do your own research as well. Why was there a drill on 9-11 on hijakced planes at the time of the real hijacking. NORAD at one time asked if it was a drill or real. And they were told drill.. When they first understood the mistake. Planes were sendt in the opposite directions. Really laughable. But again do some research. Why should I feed you like a mother to a child. You are grown ups. The facts are out there.
 
Axver said:
Arth, the reason YouTube is not a very good source is because even I can put a video up on YouTube. Anyone with basic video editing software can put together some low-res clips, make a conspiracy movie, throw in some unsourced and unsubstantiated or distorted "facts", and put it on YouTube.

The problem is not with the Internet itself. The problem is with whether or not the source's evidence and conclusions are referenced and verifiable. In my academic work, I use the Internet as a source all the time - scholarly databases such as JSTOR are fantastic, much better than any paper library. When I use sources from there, I can check to see if its claims have references so I can verify them. Can you produce evidence of that calibre? Can you produce referenced articles from peer-reviewed academic journals? That's the sort of stuff that will end the ridicule and start serious dialogue.

So, I ask again, WHERE ARE YOUR SOURCES?
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You avoid my post almost completely. As I said it doesn't matter if it is youtube or CNN videos.. You make up your own opinion on the material. Yes everyone can upload there and so what? If I find three interesting clips. Yes I can put them after one another and add text to explain my theory. Why is that wrong? It's all down to using common sense. U can spot a fony pretty quick!
 
Irvine511 said:

because it's quite offensive to suggest that someone's government deliberately and callously killed 3,000 of its own citizens.
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Alexander Litvinenko blamed the 1999 Russian apartment bombings(which killed a few hundred Russian citizens) on the FSB. The bombings, however, were publicly linked to Chechen terrorists and used to justify war. And we saw what happened to Litvinenko.
 
ArthDent said:
BTW here is a link to those who wants to view well educated people like professors of Physics etc that does not believe 9-11 was a terror attack. They present their views and facts.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4258946892514662399&q=scholars

Please view it in full and not come complaining about no facts..
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Great. It's no good to just be a professor of physics. That's just a baseless appeal to authority. Now, if these professors of physics can cite their sources so that their claims are VERIFIABLE, then we're on the right track.

Do you have any referenced, verifiable sources from peer-reviewed academic journals?
 
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