whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
Very contradictive statements in one sentence. To imply that all Islamists aspire to restore the caliphate in the form of a great pan-Islamic state is racist.
My oh my how is it
racict to say that there are fundamentalist
RELIGIOUS believers that want to enforce such a thing on all humanity ~ Muslim, Christian and Hindu. I say Islamist with specific meaning and intent, which is broadly adopted by many people when discussing the phenomena of Islamic terrorism and political Islam, it differentiated between practioners of faith and those that would impose their faith on the latter. I am against the latter not the former with the exception of the no harm principle violation.
Did I go out and say oh that brown fellow has Semitic characteristics so he must be a Mohammedan, I must strive to establish Indo-European supremacy once more by automatically opposing everything that he says - I said nothing whatsoever about race and it is flat out wrong to blame it on racism, most of the Muslims that I know are not Arabs they are Malay and they are perfectly normal people
I have friends who believe the Islam, they have just finished their Ramadan. I admire them for their strength of faith, in a practical sense they do have stronger faith than me. They pray when they have to pray, couple of times every day. They didn´t eat or drink until darkness sets in - I could be comfortable with not eating, but not drinking the whole day... must be hard. They even accuse me that I don´t believe in my God because I´m not following every rule my church tells me!
Good excellent, people practicing faith something that I have absolutely no problem with. They want to fast in the day, let them fast, people should be free to believe whatever they want too.
I´d say some of them are Islamists. They believe their religion to be the ultimate religion, but that has nothing to do with the aspirations you talked about.
Yeah great they think that their religion is the best, tell me do they advocate an Islamic theocracy, would they want to see sodomy laws back on the book with
I think that you are saying that 'Islamist' means dedicated believe or even fundamentalist, I think that 'Islamist' means advocacy of government that derives law and autority by religious decree over everybody. If you think that I am talking about
all Muslims or even fundamentalists then you are mistaken.
Thats why I say your statement is racist. I´m not saying you are, but your statement goes very much in that direction. Also if you deny it. Think about it.
How in the world does the stated political goals of these groups, to bring theocratic governance to the world equate to racism or even tilt towards suggestive racism. It is not racism to be opposed to ideals of a particular sect within a religion. Religion is ideas, race is genetic.
Next time tell me about twenty Muslims you have met and what they said, not about one single book (which seems to have formed your opinion to a great extent) you have read ages ago that paints evil "Islamofascism" in its darkest colours, identifying the big new threat of the millenium.
One single book, praetel what sinister tome might this be? the Pat Robertson Guide To Islam and It's Satanic Believers? The Neocon Guide to Islamophobia and Genocide?
In truth there is no single book that I have read, all I have done is become immersed in the goings on in the world specifically related to the GWOT and read up a lot about the ideological influences of the jihadists and terror groups.
You assume so much about what I have and have not read. I have not read one single big book on Islam and decided that it is some sort of rotted out carcas of a death cult, my opinion is that it is one of the great religions of the world, practiced by over a billion people who overwhelmingly go about their lives the best possible way that they can and practice their faith in a manner that has been tempered by the regional culture (Indonesia for instance is the world most populous Muslim nation and its people are overwhelming peaceful regular people with the exceptions of some Darul Islam type groups that wish to make Indonesia, Malaysia and the Southern Phillipines an Islamist state. The schools of thought that advocate violence are reactionary products of modernity and money, ideological warfare.
You wrongly take a statement against Islamists as a statement against Muslims. Or misattribute it perhaps as racist fear and loathing.
I stand for secularism, rationalism and individual liberty. I think that most human beings in this world would desire the same basic things, at least to the point where we could live on the same planet. I have an ideological opposition to those that stand for the contrary and the extent of that opposition is in part determined by the action that they take in pursuit of their ideals. Banning the teaching of evolutionary biology makes me angry, murdering people because of their religion makes me livid.
On the basis of the no harm / harm minimization principle I support freedom of religious practice up to the unwarrented infringement of individual rights. On this basis I stand against any and all forms of religious governance. It also provides basis to stand against groups that murder a lot of people as a form of collective punishment because of their race and/or religion (or lack thereof).
