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Old 02-25-2006, 07:30 AM   #16
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And of course there not going to make it a homosexual iss we dont want GLAAD out there protesting now do we. My needs are getting laid what are your needs, to go around being Mr. Intellectual.
GLAAD protesting against the military would be nothing new. The military has the don't ask don't tell policy, which the homosexual community already opposes. This would not make it any different.

If your needs are to get laid, good for you.

I have worn the uniform. I served during a war. I have lived it. I have served with (OH THE HORROR) gay men and lesbian women. They served their country fine.

But you miss the point...Heterosexual soldier MISBEHAVE and do stupid shit all the time. They visit priostitutes and pay for sexual acts, like being shit on under a glass table, that are pretty fucking disgusting. They engage in contests to see who can fuck the most people during a given time span.

The statement by the group helping their defence was very telling. It hit the nail on the head...

[Q]The charges indicate the soldiers' behavior is "a much more serious matter than just their sexual orientation," said Steve Ralls, a spokesman for Servicemembers Legal Defense Netowrk, a legal group that helps gays and lesbians in the military.

"I'm not going to make excuses for service members who are taking part in sexual conduct for money," said Ralls. "It would be absolutely criminal regardless of whether they were heterosexual or gay."

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Finally, three of the soldiers were actually charged with Courtmarshall charges. The others were disciplined within the unit. It most likely means that they were involved in some manner. I am betting they created the web-site and the other three who were charged engaged in the sex for money part of it. I do not know this for fact, but cleaarly four of them did not engage in the sex for money since their rank was reduced and they were put on restrictions to the unit area of the base only.

[Q]The four soldiers who received nonjudicial penalties were not identified. Their punishments included reduction to the rank of private, 45 days of restriction to the unit area, 45 days of extra duty and forfeiture of a month's pay.[/Q]

I saw a soldier get near the same punishment for stealing a pack of smokes.
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The Log Cabin republicans are currently working to change the "Don't Ask, Don't tell" policy...

http://www.calltodutytour.org/index.php
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Background of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Policy
The "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" (DADT) policy dates from 1992, when then Presidential candidate Bill Clinton promised to allow gay and lesbian Americans to serve openly in the military. On January 29, 1993, shortly after his inauguration, President Clinton suspended the existing Department of Defense policy which banned gay, lesbian, and bisexual (GLB) personnel from military service. However, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and influential members of Congress vehemently opposed the President's attempt to permanently lift the ban. This led to six months of intense Congressional and Administration discussions and hearings on the issue. The end result was the infamous "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law.
Under DADT, the military would not inquire about the sexual orientation of current and future service members. The law also said that GLB men and women would be allowed to serve in the U.S. Armed Forces unless they declared they are gay, attempted to marry a person of the same sex, or engaged in homosexual conduct. Service members who were discovered to be homosexual would be subject to dismissal.
Changing Times
The most commonly cited reason for continuing to force gay and lesbian service members into the closet revolves around arguments that "unit cohesion" will be negatively affected if they are allowed to serve openly. It is assumed that junior enlisted service members, mostly young men, will be uncomfortable serving next to gays. The last time any data regarding this issue were considered by lawmakers was in the early 1990's. Data collected in 2003, 2004, and 2005, however, indicate that the large majority of civilian Americans now favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly, as well as a majority of junior enlisted service members. The segment of the armed forces presumed least willing to work alongside openly gay service members appears to have also moved forward on the issue.
Overturning the Ban
The Military Readiness Enhancement Act, H.R. 1059, was introduced into the House of Representatives on March 2nd, 2005 by Rep. Marty Meehan (D-MA). The bill seeks, "To amend title 10, United States Code, to enhance the readiness of the Armed Forces by replacing the current policy concerning homosexuality in the Armed Forces, referred to as ‘Don't Ask, Don't Tell', with a policy of nondiscrimination on the basis of sexual orientation."
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Oh the horror.....

Here is a RECENT study about the effects of homosexuals on unit coheasion........

[Q]Study Examines Contributions of Gay Troops to Mideast Wars
Gay Army Ranger, Brian Hughes, Participated in Jessica Lynch Rescue

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Dr. Nathaniel Frank
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Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

SANTA BARBARA, CA, September 15, 2004 -- A new study released today is the first assessment of the impact of the gay ban on U.S. military effectiveness in recent Middle East wars. The study, by Dr. Nathaniel Frank, is titled "Gays and Lesbians at War: Military Service in Iraq and Afghanistan Under 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell.'"

The study concludes that gays and lesbians serve openly in the Middle East without undermining unit cohesion or the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. When gays are out, they report greater success in bonding, morale, professional advancement, levels of commitment & retention and access to essential support services.

It also finds that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" impairs the capacity of gay troops to develop bonds of trust, minimize stress, prepare for deployment, focus on their mission, advance professionally and access support services, including medical & psychological consultations. And, these effects appear to have an impact not just on gays, but on those around them, by creating an atmosphere of dishonesty and distrust as well as disrespect for the law and the principles of integrity that are essential to military service.

Among the dozens of stories included in the study is that of Brian Hughes, a gay Army Ranger who was part of the task force that rescued Iraqi War POW Jessica Lynch. The Ranger regiment is an elite infantry unit of the Army, which is part of the Special Operations Command. Hughes took time off from Yale University to join the Army in August of 2000, where he became an E5 Sergeant (NCO). In the fall of 2002, he was deployed to Afghanistan where he did search patrols for personnel and weapons. He then cycled into Iraq for the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom, where he participated in the Lynch rescue.

The study is based on thirty in-depth interviews with gay, lesbian and bisexual service members who were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan since Oct 7, 2001, as well as on field observations made stateside. It also draws on secondary research and interviews with government officials, academics and other experts on military affairs. All research was conducted between February and September, 2004[/Q]

HEre is a link to the above article with the study linked.
http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/Pres..._2004_0915.htm

Oh the horror.... Part of the study included:

[Q]Gay Army Ranger, Brian Hughes, Participated in Jessica Lynch Rescue[/Q]

What an embarassment to the Rangers....{SARCASM}
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[Q]PENTAGON FIRED 244 GAY DOCTORS, NURSES, MEDICAL SPECIALISTS, NEW DATA SHOW
Shortage in Medical Personnel Prompts Experts to Question Policy
SANTA BARBARA, CA, January 23, 2006 - A University of California research center released data today showing that the military has fired 244 medical specialists under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The figures, which cover 1994 through 2003, the first ten years of the policy, were obtained from the Pentagon by the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military (CSSMM) with the help of Rep. Marty Meehan, a Massachusetts Democrat who sits on the House Armed Services Committee. The information is being reported today by the Associated Press. [Please click here to read the full press release. Click here to download a PDF version of the data.][/Q]
http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/Pres..._2006_0123.htm

[Q]PENTAGON ACKNOWLEDGES SENDING OPENLY GAY SERVICE MEMBERS TO WAR
Acknowledgement Follows Discovery of Regulation Ordering Commanders to Retain Gays
SANTA BARBARA, CA, September 23, 2005 - An official military spokesperson has acknowledged that the Pentagon is sending openly gay service members into combat in Iraq. Kim Waldron, of the U.S. Army Forces Command at Fort McPherson, said that, "The bottom line is some people are using sexual orientation to avoid deployment. So in this case, with the Reserve and Guard forces, if a soldier 'tells,' they still have to go to war and the homosexual issue is postponed until they return to the U.S. and the unit is demobilized." Waldron's statements were reported in today's edition of the Washington Blade. [Click here to read full press release.]

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http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/Pres..._2005_0923.htm

What a fucking asshole thing to do......

[Q]ABANDONING "DON'T ASK, DON'T TELL" WILL DECREASE ANTI-GAY VIOLENCE
Naval Institute Proceedings
May 2005

By Dr. Aaron Belkin
...many well-intentioned and fair-minded U.S. officers worry that if Congress eliminates the Pentagon's curent "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, episodes such as this will become the norm in the U.S. armed forces... Lessons from foreign armed forces, as well as U.S. police and fire departments that have lifted their bans, reveal that, in the worst case, lifting the gay ban will have no impact on the level of anti-gay abuse. But in the more likely scenario, lifting the ban should decrease violence, especially if military leaders follow a few simple steps. [Click here to read the complete article.]
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http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/Pres...Institute.html

[Q]MORE ARABIC LANGUAGE SPEAKERS DISCHARGED FOR HOMOSEXUALITY THAN PREVIOUSLY REPORTED, NEW DATA SHOW

For Immediate Release
SANTA BARBARA, CA, January 13, 2005 - The New Republic will report this month that between 1998 and 2004, the military discharged 20 Arabic and six Farsi language speakers under the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

The new figures, which were obtained from the Pentagon by Congressman Marty Meehan (D-MA) and CSSMM, update prior reports from 2002, when the Servicemembers Legal Defense Network and the New Republic first reported that Arabic language speakers had been discharged for homosexuality under "don't ask, don't tell." Some previous reports indicated that seven linguists had been fired, while others put the total at nine. [Click here to see the new data. Click here to see an explanation of the data. Click here for media coverage of the story. Click here for PDF version of article.]

[/Q]http://www.gaymilitary.ucsb.edu/PressClips/05_0124_NewRepublic.pdf

This makes total logical sense...
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Old 02-25-2006, 08:06 AM   #21
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One more thing.......

The United States Military was partially responsible for helping break down the racial barriers that were in place for years.

When those soldiers returned home from war, having found that blacks served just as honorably as whites....they came home and began to help change the public perceptions....and support for the civil rights movement came from many veterans.

I believe that the military will change its attitude towards homosexuals, and again, these veterans will provide the support to bring about change within the country.

And the same could be said about the history of women in the military as well... same road, same arguments.
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For those interested...

Here are organizations that work to bring about equal rights in the Military.

American Veterans for Equal Rights (AVER) - www.aver.us
Military Education Initiative (MEI) - www.military-education.org
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network (SLDN) - www.sldn.org
Log Cabin Republicans (LCR) - http://www.logcabin.org/
Human Rights Campaign (HRC) - www.hrc.org
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Ah Dreadsox, you've said more than I could say on this subject.

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Ah Dreadsox, you've said more than I could say on this subject.

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I have tried my friend...I have tried....
There's days where I wish I could create a political pressure / reform group, since the chances of creating a successful third party is downright minimal with our current electoral process.

But, as always, I never know where to start anymore...

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I have no problem with gay men or Lesbians serving in the military. If they want to serve let them. Have you been in the military. You dont know me so you cant call me homophobic. And if there are homophobic people out there you treat them second class like you obivously showed me.
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[Q]Gay Army Ranger, Brian Hughes, Participated in Jessica Lynch Rescue[/Q]

What an embarassment to the Rangers....{SARCASM}
Thank God for him that he saved Private Lynch.

I am only saying that having a pay for sex website be it straight or gay is a bad move.

Dreadsox you seem so insecure that you have to go and mock people. I was just stating an opinion when I started the thread.
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Thanks for the great articles and such Dread!
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Dreadsox you seem so insecure that you have to go and mock people. I was just stating an opinion when I started the thread.
I would call this mockery, myself:
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And of course there not going to make it a homosexual iss we dont want GLAAD out there protesting now do we. My needs are getting laid what are your needs, to go around being Mr. Intellectual.
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Men and Woman need sex. Mabey the government should send woman from the bunny ranch and chip N dales to fill those needs.
No they don't, man...
we need love, one of whose aspect is sex, but it's by no means its main aspect...
and if you can't fix what's the difference b'tweem love and sex, well, you can forget to be happy in your life...
and porn sites are a strong temptation, ok, but they can be a drug that keeps you from being really free...
and military overall, since representative of one nation's society, should have a self control behavour, controlling their instincs...
you know, their dealing with weapons there...
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