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Old 03-16-2007, 06:07 PM   #31
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Because, lack of disipline from parents being shitty parents and schools being a joke, these two kids decided to bang in class. We need to be strict.
Eh, and making them do their homework and not allowing them to use a mobile will stop them having sex?

Usually being strict and banning things isn't always the answer either. The people I knew whose parents forbid them to drink for example were always the ones who went out and got absolutely trashed every Friday and Saturday night.

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Absolutely not, I have no clue where he's getting that from.
I didn't think so myself.
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Old 03-16-2007, 06:11 PM   #32
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The people I knew whose parents forbid them to drink for example were always the ones who went out and got absolutely trashed every Friday and Saturday night.



And the girls who weren't allowed to date were pregnant as soon as they found their first [secret] boyfriends...
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Would you be against making schools Military Charter schools? It would teach disiple and teach, math, english, science,etc...
Absolutely!!! If you want your kids to go to military school, then enroll them in military school. Don't make public schools military charter that's ridiculous.
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How can we deal with this, since people here are so sue happy crazy?
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Would you be against making schools Military Charter schools? It would teach disiple and teach, math, english, science,etc...
Studies, common knowledge and about everything else has shown that such a military style discipline drill isn't the answer at all. and doesn't create an environment for learning.

Socialised behaviour has to be taught at home. The school is not the place to teach children how to behave. That's the duty and the task of parents.

You can't blame the school for what the parents refuse to do.
They have to give their childrens boundaries and teach them values. The school does play a minor role, but it can't and it should not redo what parents failed to do.

All in all you can't say the parents, the media or the schools are responsible for that, but it is rather a mixture of it, and you have to look from case to case.

And children are giving each other a hard time, meaning that in order to get accepted some children do things that might be considered cool amongst others.

It's not too easy to raise your children nowadays, it never was. But to learn from the Marines surely is not the right way.
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Being strict is not the answer. Education, discipline(doesn't mean strict), and respect are some of the answers...

The strict father usually ends up with a preganant daughter who hates him.
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"Blame the media!" is a cop-out; it's a simplistic approach to a complicated problem, and ignores the fact that values are learned in the home.

"Blame the parents!" is a cop-out; it removes responsibility and refuses to acknowledge the power of the increasingly pervasive media.

"Blame the teachers!" is a cop-out; it ignores the lack of support that teachers get from the government and from their own school boards.

The reality is that all these (and other) influences work hand-in-hand -- and when they begin to contradict each other, kids start to fall through the cracks. Even the best of parents are hamstrung by the fact that if their children walk out the door, they are hit with sexualized images from magazines to billboards to radio to television to film. Even the best of teachers are hamstrung by a lack of funds and by school boards who keep more and more school funding for the various boards and administrators. Even the most positive media images and influences (PBS among them) are crowded out by louder voices.
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How can we deal with this, since people here are so sue happy crazy?
What does suing have to do with the topic at hand? How did you go from blaming media to this?

Don't do this to another thread.
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hmm an experiement would be to turn the United States in to a Third World Country. But that would never work, the forces would not allow it.
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What does suing have to do with the topic at hand? How did you go from blaming media to this?

Don't do this to another thread.
I am not. Parents will sue the school for not protecting their children (hence the sex in class) the school will them blame the parents for not being good parents (hence them having sex in class) and the media will say, both of you are responsible for this mess and the other two will blame the media.
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Yes I agree with having sex ed in class. But today students even in the past think of it as a joke or it's cool. So how can we deal with this problem at hand.
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"Blame the media!" is a cop-out; it's a simplistic approach to a complicated problem, and ignores the fact that values are learned in the home.

"Blame the parents!" is a cop-out; it removes responsibility and refuses to acknowledge the power of the increasingly pervasive media.

"Blame the teachers!" is a cop-out; it ignores the lack of support that teachers get from the government and from their own school boards.

The reality is that all these (and other) influences work hand-in-hand -- and when they begin to contradict each other, kids start to fall through the cracks. Even the best of parents are hamstrung by the fact that if their children walk out the door, they are hit with sexualized images from magazines to billboards to radio to television to film. Even the best of teachers are hamstrung by a lack of funds and by school boards who keep more and more school funding for the various boards and administrators. Even the most positive media images and influences (PBS among them) are crowded out by louder voices.
I agree to a certain point.

Media has always been the first to get blamed, our parents had Elvis, we had heavy metal, Prince, and 2 Live Crew.

Every generation has a media figure or media in general to blame.

And yes, the school system has let down the teachers just as much as the students.

And yes sometimes the best parents will see their child grow up in a way they don't want...
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But today students even in the past think of it as a joke or it's cool.
What do you mean by this? Where did you get this from?
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come on now. When you took sex ed. your telling me students took it seriously?
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