Vincent Vega
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Justin24 said:On the media thing, we must blame our selves and the media for over sexualization and views of men and woman. We want more and more they give, kids, teens adults watch the programming with then get's syphoned into the world.
Justin24 said:An example of Over Sexualization would be the Dolce Ad's or those dolls they sell in store now that make the dolls look like hookers.
If people see an advertisment with sexual inuendos and people go out and buy it, then the company will then start to go for younger crowds.
BonoVoxSupastar said:
I have no clue what you are talking about with the dolls, out of my life's demographic. Don't have kids or nieces yet...
Justin24 said:The Bratz dolls.
No but they do put other stuff in there. I will find some and scan them and post.
nathan1977 said:
Having kids definitely changes your perspective.
Vincent Vega said:They are just one example, but Justin isn't wrong here.
Kids programmes and toys nowadays really are sometimes a bit off.
It's not only the sex, but also quite often the violence shown in some of todays children movies which is very questionable.
But look at these dolls. The proportions of their bodies for example.
Vincent Vega said:But the way the "violence" was shown in Looney Tunes or Tom & Jerry was somehow different.
Vincent Vega said:They are just one example, but Justin isn't wrong here.
Kids programmes and toys nowadays really are sometimes a bit off.
phillyfan26 said:
By somehow different, I'm assuming you mean unrealistic, which is true. Those shows lacked realistic violence.
Liesje said:
But, like BVS said before (I think), the media gives us what we want.
MrsSpringsteen said:It's not about being strict (but a certain amount of discipline is required) because kids will rebel if parents are overly strict. It's about teaching kids respect for themselves, for authority, and for certain environments such as school. My parents never told me specifically "dont have sex and don't have sex in a classroom" , but it was clearly understood by me that I was to respect certain situations and behave accordingly. I feel so old and like I'm in a bizarro world when I see some kids and the way they behave in public. They have no respect for others, and it's clear to me that they haven't been brought up to. When I encounter a kid who holds doors and is polite and considerate of others, frankly I'm shocked. Not all of course-there are some great parents who do a phenomenal job. And I understand what it's like for kids (especially teens) and that kids will act out sometimes for a myriad of reasons that have nothing to do with parents. I don't want to bash parents, it's the toughest job in the world.
But some parents are overindulging and spoiling kids materially and in other ways, and using that as some sort of substitute for what they should really be doing. They want their kids to like them so much that they go overboard and take it to extremes. I've seen this in action numerous times.
Obviously this is an isolated incident, I'm quite sure that there are not 12 year olds all over the country having sex in their classrooms. But the general questions surrounding why something like this happened are worth discussing, O'Reilly hysteria aside.
nathan1977 said:
No, the media gives us what they think we want. Commercials -- and advertising in general, come to think of it -- are built around the notion of creating the demand, then meeting it. Ditto for the media (which, we mustn't forget, is driven by advertising).
Apparently the teacher was going back and forth between two classrooms, and they had a "lookout".
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MrsSpringsteen said:It's not about being strict (but a certain amount of discipline is required) because kids will rebel if parents are overly strict. It's about teaching kids respect for themselves, for authority, and for certain environments such as school. My parents never told me specifically "dont have sex and don't have sex in a classroom" , but it was clearly understood by me that I was to respect certain situations and behave accordingly. I feel so old and like I'm in a bizarro world when I see some kids and the way they behave in public. They have no respect for others, and it's clear to me that they haven't been brought up to. When I encounter a kid who holds doors and is polite and considerate of others, frankly I'm shocked. Not all of course-there are some great parents who do a phenomenal job. And I understand what it's like for kids (especially teens) and that kids will act out sometimes for a myriad of reasons that have nothing to do with parents. I don't want to bash parents, it's the toughest job in the world.
But some parents are overindulging and spoiling kids materially and in other ways, and using that as some sort of substitute for what they should really be doing. They want their kids to like them so much that they go overboard and take it to extremes. I've seen this in action numerous times.
Obviously this is an isolated incident, I'm quite sure that there are not 12 year olds all over the country having sex in their classrooms. But the general questions surrounding why something like this happened are worth discussing, O'Reilly hysteria aside.
yolland said:I really don't know what to make of that (if I'm generally perceiving it correctly); I guess I'd want to leave it to a children's therapist to sort that one out. Maybe it's old-fashioned on my part, but I have to imagine any 12-year-old, male or female, who would do that most likely needs some professionally guided help.
MrsSpringsteen said:I don't think anyone mentioned Jesus or abstinence (but yes I do believe 12 year olds should be abstaining from sex) or atheism in this thread, not that I can recall. Maybe I'm wrong, I'd have to go back and read it again. Honestly I don't think O'Reilly did either.
Irvine511 said:
he talked about "secular progressives."