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Old 11-15-2004, 08:26 AM   #46
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Re: 60,480,957 Idiots in America?

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The President reached 60 million+ mark for his vote total in the election. Alot of people have been saying that the only people who voted for Bush were red-neck southerners, homophobes, and just plain and simple complete idiots. (The UK paper "The Daily Mirror" for example ran the headline "D'oh 4 More Years of Dubya--How can X Number of people be so DUMB?") How then, do we explain this number? Are there really nearly 60.5 million idiots living in this country?
The UK paper "The Daily Mirror" is arguably written for idiots - it is a trashy tabloid whose previous editor had to resign earlier this year when he had openly deceived.

And whilst I wouldn't vote for the man I don't think all Bush voters are idiots. Some I might consider ill-informed (a little too much FoxTV and evangelical talk show radio broadcasts) for example. And of course there will have been thousands of Bush voters of well-above average IQ who voted out of self-interest.

Europeans just don't get it cos they elect secularist governments who are only interested in deviously manipulating the UN to gain the spoils of other nations natural resources. They don't have the balls to mount invasions or crusades.


Furthermore anyone with any moral sensitivity would have had to have voted for Bush. After all that Donald Rumsfeld is such an honest man, in these turbulent times we need a man we can rely on to tell the truth and keep us informed heading up the Pentagon. And the good old veep Dick Cheney - isn't he just the jovial old guy you'd happily let your kids play with over the holidays - he ran that morally pristine organisation called Halliburton.

No no no do not mistake all Bush voters for idiots.
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And the good old veep Dick Cheney - isn't he just the jovial old guy you'd happily let your kids play with over the holidays - he ran that morally pristine organisation called Halliburton.
Dick Cheney is not someone from my party that I personally admire. Furthermore, I don't understand all this beef about Halliburton. Inform me, please.
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If the question is "what influenced your vote" and you respond
moral values" that only suggests that between two candidates, one was viewed as better protecting the moral values of the voter in question.

The "Good ol' folks" in the red states never really liked all the nonsense about "civil rights" of "equal rights for women"
and now all the nonsense about "special rights" for "those" people.

Well, we need a President that will protect "our values" in the red states.
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Dick Cheney is not someone from my party that I personally admire. Furthermore, I don't understand all this beef about Halliburton. Inform me, please.
Let's start with the fact that the company was fined $7 million earlier this year for ripping off shareholders while Cheney was CEO and go from there.
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deep, to a certain extent you're right. The South used to be solidly Democratic, but the civil rights platform in the Democratic national platforms changed that forever. Now others have abandoned the Democrats because of various changes, for example, the whole Roe vs. Wade controversy. During the New Deal era, abortion was not an issue because no one thought about it. The same is true of the whole gay marriage controversy and the controversy over gun control. Politics has changed big time with the times.
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Johnson said the Democrats would be paying for the Civil Rights legislation he signed for a long time.


since the 1968 election there are 14 states that have gone GOP everytime.

approx 40 % of the electoral votes needed.

that is a great headstart the GOP has in every election.

The GOP southern stagedy is strong
and there is little the Dems can do to change that when "red state values" are so wrong.
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deep, we're still paying for that stuff. It's one of the most unfortunate developments in American politics.
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deep, we're still paying for that stuff. It's one of the most unfortunate developments in American politics.


and the answer is not to try and make the old "dixiecrat appeal"

just because the GOP has their "dixie mojo" working.
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Let's start with the fact that the company was fined $7 million earlier this year for ripping off shareholders while Cheney was CEO and go from there.
More info please.
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7 million is small change.
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When Dick Cheney was CEO of the company, it secretly changed its accounting practices without telling shareholders.

"Halliburton Co. secretly changed its accounting practices when Vice President Dick Cheney was its chief executive officer, the Securities and Exchange Commission said Tuesday as it fined the company $7.5 million and brought actions against two former financial officials.

The commission said the accounting change enabled Halliburton, one of the nation's largest energy services companies, to report annual earnings in 1998 that were 46 percent higher than they would have been had the change not been made. It also allowed the company to report a substantially higher profit in 1999, the commission said."

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When Dick Cheney was CEO of the company, it secretly changed its accounting practices without telling shareholders.



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I sure am glad the Bush Admin. put Martha Stewart in jail.
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I sure am glad the Bush Admin. put Martha Stewart in jail.
I was just going to compare Cheney to that woman... kind of ironic.
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W's victory is no mandate

it is one of the narrowest ever for a 2nd termer.







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Bush's victory ranks among the narrowest ever for a reelected president.

Measured as a share of the popular vote, Bush beat Kerry by just 2.9 percentage points: 51% to 48.1%. That's the smallest margin of victory for a reelected president since 1828.

The only previous incumbent who won a second term nearly so narrowly was Democrat Woodrow Wilson: In 1916, he beat Republican Charles E. Hughes by 3.1 percentage points. Apart from Truman in 1948 (whose winning margin was 4.5 percentage points), every other president elected to a second term since 1832 has at least doubled the margin that Bush had over Kerry.

In that 1916 election, Wilson won only 277 out of 531 electoral college votes. That makes Wilson the only reelected president in the past century who won with fewer electoral college votes than Bush's 286.

Measured another way, Bush won 53% of the 538 electoral college votes available this year. Of all the chief executives reelected since the 12th Amendment separated the vote for president and vice president — a group that stretches back to Thomas Jefferson in 1804 — only Wilson (at 52%) won a smaller share of the available electoral college votes. In the end, for all his gains, Bush carried just two states that he lost last time.

Another trend explains why all of this might matter to more than just historians: Throughout American history, the reelection of a president has usually been a high-water mark for the president's party. In almost every case, the party that won reelection has lost ground in the next presidential election, both in the popular vote and in the electoral college.

The decline has been especially severe in the past half century. Since 1952 there have been six presidential elections immediately following a president's reelection. In those six races, the candidate from the incumbent's party has fallen short of the reelection numbers by an average of 207 electoral college votes and 8.4 percentage points in the popular vote.

Because his margin was so tight, Bush didn't leave the GOP with enough of a cushion to survive even a fraction of that erosion in four years. Even if the GOP in 2008 matches the smallest electoral college fall-off in the past half century — the 99-vote decline between Reagan in 1984 and George H.W. Bush in 1988 — that would still leave the party well short of a majority.

The scale of Bush's victory, compared with that of most other reelected presidents, doesn't provide the basis for claiming an extravagant mandate.
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60,480,957 Idiots in America?
How about this: I'm not an idiot, and you're not an idiot. Political parties have nothing to do with who and who isn't an idiot. Let's have a little respect.
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