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Old 10-14-2004, 01:08 PM   #76
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I think there were more important issues than the mentioning of Cheney´s daughter. But this topic makes a fine newsline, so it will be repeated over again and again.

In reality, who cares about Kerry mentioning Cheney´s daughter? Does it give a man less integrity? No. I believe Kerry will be respected by the international community, more than Bush. Bush has fucked his NATO partners (Germany and France being two of them) already, so you know, Kerry´s past fight against drugtrafficking comes in handy at this point. Gives him some integrity.

I agree with you. In the bigger scope of things, mentioning Cheney's daughter is not a big deal and won't change any minds already made up. I mentioned it because it irritated me, that's all. And I am not one to stand by my man and agree with everything he says.
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The President did well. Kerry did well. The race is tied. See you in November.
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Old 10-14-2004, 01:49 PM   #78
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The President did well. Kerry did well. The race is tied. See you in November.
accurate statment
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i'm so nervous about the election.
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There is a segment of the US population that would take those statistics as a negative for Kerry.
I think that's probably true and a very sad statement about the arrogance and ignorance of this segment of the US population.
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She says it gave her another chance to "assess" John Kerry, and she says it only reinforced her opinion that "This is not a good man." Cheney says she's "speaking as a mom, and a pretty indignant mom."
If she's such an indignant mom, why didn't she stand up for daughter when the Gay Marriage Amendment was going through Congress? Why does she try and hide the fact that she wrote a book with a lesbian love scene? I actually didn't like Kerry mentioning Cheney's daughter, especially considering he was debating Bush. I thought it was more out of place last night than during the vice presidential debate. But I don't like Cheney's reaction to it either. NOW he decides to stand for his daughter? He didn't stand up for his daughter against Bush during the whole amendment crap. He didn't stand up for his daughter at the convention when either she or the RNC decided it would be best if she didn't go on stage after her dad's speech. He didn't stand up for his daughter against the Republicans who voted for a platform that doesn't even allow civil unions. Both are in the wrong here: Kerry for mentioning it and Cheney for defending her when the Democrats mention her but keeping his mouth shut when his boss tries to push through a discriminatory Constitutional amendment. You shouldn't pick and choose when to defend your daughter based on what party the person is from.
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let the ppl decide.
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Both are in the wrong here: Kerry for mentioning it and Cheney for defending her when the Democrats mention her but keeping his mouth shut when his boss tries to push through a discriminatory Constitutional amendment. You shouldn't pick and choose when to defend your daughter based on what party the person is from.
Exactly. What Kerry did can't be justified at all by the Cheneys' seeming hypocrisy about their daughter, but still..it all just stinks

Lynn Cheney wrote a lesbian love scene? I think I'd like to read that..
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You shouldn't pick and choose when to defend your daughter based on what party the person is from.
Probably the Cheney´s family situation is very typical for a career-oriented father.

What do you think the mother can do (according to the family´s conservative values) except of supporting him.

In reality, this is not so much about Kerry; it´s not his family. This is about conservative family values vs. loving your daughter and supporting her way of life.

Uh, sorry for the thematic side step.
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Well this is what one prominent politician and one gay politician had to say about the matter:

Some politicians who have struggled with the issue said Thursday that Kerry's comments were well within bounds. "I think what John Kerry said was very kind," said Rep. Dick Gephardt (news - web sites), D-Mo., whose daughter is a lesbian.


Former Republican Rep. Steve Gunderson, who is gay, said: "It's trying to put a human face and make clear the issue of one's sexual orientation does not honor partisan lines."
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If she's such an indignant mom, why didn't she stand up for daughter when the Gay Marriage Amendment was going through Congress? Why does she try and hide the fact that she wrote a book with a lesbian love scene? I actually didn't like Kerry mentioning Cheney's daughter, especially considering he was debating Bush. I thought it was more out of place last night than during the vice presidential debate. But I don't like Cheney's reaction to it either. NOW he decides to stand for his daughter? He didn't stand up for his daughter against Bush during the whole amendment crap. He didn't stand up for his daughter at the convention when either she or the RNC decided it would be best if she didn't go on stage after her dad's speech. He didn't stand up for his daughter against the Republicans who voted for a platform that doesn't even allow civil unions. Both are in the wrong here: Kerry for mentioning it and Cheney for defending her when the Democrats mention her but keeping his mouth shut when his boss tries to push through a discriminatory Constitutional amendment. You shouldn't pick and choose when to defend your daughter based on what party the person is from.
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Didn't Cheney's daughter publicly step to the foreground to support her father and Bush with the campaign? And also explicitly mention that she was gay and thus (still) supported them?

edit: Found the thread after a bit of searching.
http://forum.interference.com/showth...threadid=87365
Now, while the New York Press article this thread is referring to is not friendly to say the least, it does show the fact that Mary Cheney herself stepped to the foreground to join the re-election campaign.
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"Understanding Tax Cuts"
by: David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D

Sometimes politicians, journalists and the liberal
left exclaim; "It's just a tax cut for the rich!" and
it is just accepted to be fact.

But what does that really mean?

Just in case you are not completely clear on this
issue, I hope the following will help. Please read
it carefully.

Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner
and the bill for all ten comes to $100.

If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it
would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay $1.

The sixth would pay $3.

The seventh would pay $7.

The eighth would pay $12.

The ninth would pay $18.

The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day
and seemed quite happy with the arrangement,
until one day, the owner threw them a curve.

"Since you are all such good customers," he said,
"I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by
$20." Dinner for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we
pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected.
They would still eat for free. But what about the
other six men - the paying customers? How could
they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would
get his 'fair share?'

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if
they subtracted that from everybody's share, then
the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up
being paid to eat their meal.

So, the restaurant owner suggested that it would
be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the
same amount, and he proceeded to work out the
amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing
(100% savings).

The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).

The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).

The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).

The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).

The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first
four continued to eat for free. But once outside the
restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

"I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth
man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only
saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times
more than me!"

"That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why
should he get $10 back when I got only two?
The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison.
"We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits
the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for dinner,
so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it
came time to pay the bill, they discovered something
important. They didn't have enough money between
all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college
professors, is how our tax system works. The
people who pay the highest taxes get the most
benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much,
attack them for being wealthy, and they just may
not show up anymore. In fact, they might start
eating overseas where the atmosphere is
somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia
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Re Kerry's Embracing a Gay Female Republican

well w all the oppurtunistic hoopla from this transparent attempt of compassion, no gay republicans are flocking to kerry over this calulated manuever

american ppl have an innate knack for recognizing phonies.
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well w all the oppurtunistic hoopla from this transparent attempt of compassion, no gay republicans are flocking to kerry over this calulated manuever
While the Log Cabin Republicans are not supporting Kerry, for the first time since they were founded, they did not endorce the Republican nominee for president. what does that tell you?
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