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Old 10-14-2004, 06:42 AM   #46
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I agree that it is nothing to be ashamed about (as anyone can see in the Gay marriage thread) but a large section of the American population does not. Kerry was asked a question and he decided to make it personal - and that is wrong.

If Mary Cheney wants to make it an issue herself then fine. But having a political adversary do it is downright low.
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There is nothing to be ashamed of being homosexual - so i don't think it's a problem speaking about it.
If she would marry a young man in the next weeks and he spoke about it would you call it a "poor form" too ?
It's not an issue of shame at all. It's holding her up as the token lesbian in a political campaign, a lesbian who happens to be a Republican. There's just something slightly sleazy about Kerry and Edwards bringing it up although I agreed with everything else that Kerry said (except that I am also for gay marriage).
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There is nothing to be ashamed of being homosexual - so i don't think it's a problem speaking about it.
If she would marry a young man in the next weeks and he spoke about it would you call it a "poor form" too ?
I agree with A_Wanderer on this one. I don't see the political value in bringing the VP's daughter into this whether she is gay or not. Virtually al gay people I know are getting tired of being referred to as the gay guy/girl/daughter etc.
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While Bush isn't a really great speaker (like it really has an affect on how one leads a country)
uhh....maybe not, but being intelligent and making the right decisions without being a stubborn, arrogant idiot and dividing the united states from the rest of the world does.



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Originally posted by shart1780 I think he's a more down to earth, easy going guy, which I like more.
sure...if you're planning on hanging out and drinkin some beer with him. maybe the leader of the free world, however, needs some other qualities, like intelligence, patience, understanding of complex issues, and the ability to know right from wrong.
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Lynn Cheney says John Kerry's reference to her daughter in last night's debate was a "cheap and tawdry political trick."
Kerry was asked by the moderator if homosexuality is a choice. He noted that Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter Mary is a lesbian. Kerry said Mary Cheney would probably say that she was born that way. Lynn Cheney says Kerry invaded her family's privacy.

She says it gave her another chance to "assess" John Kerry, and she says it only reinforced her opinion that "This is not a good man." Cheney says she's "speaking as a mom, and a pretty indignant mom."

She made the comments while introducing the Vice President to a crowd of 800 Pittsburgh-area supporters. Dick Cheney didn't mention the topic in his remarks.
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yeah, there's no reason to be indignant if you're comfortable with your daughters sexuality.
all kerry was doing was stating a fact: that she's a lesbian.
it's the same as if Bush said "Saddam Hussein is an immiment threat".
oh wait a minute....no it's not.
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In addition, the fact that homosexuality has to be brought up in a presidential debate (or any political debate, see European Union) shows we still have a long way to go.
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Kerry goes 3-0.
You are absolutely correct - if we were electing the captain of the debate team.


The underlying data in the polls show that Kerry is the better debater.
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I thought it was funny to see Bush claim he doesn't want to push his religious beliefs on to people and then continue to flaunt his Defense of Marriage and Faith-based Initiatives nonsense.
Consider the difference between a person "pushing" his views on the public and the public seeking laws that are aligned with their own views.
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I thought it was low of Kerry to bring up Cheneys daughter.



Dragging in the VP's daughter, poor form.

This will haunt Kerry.

The DNC has apparently called Cheney's daughter "fair game".
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This will haunt Kerry.
I agree. If I were a campaign advisor i would say he needs to apologize for bringing up the Cheney's daughter, but that he stands by his position.
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uhh....maybe not, but being intelligent and making the right decisions without being a stubborn, arrogant idiot and dividing the united states from the rest of the world does.





sure...if you're planning on hanging out and drinkin some beer with him. maybe the leader of the free world, however, needs some other qualities, like intelligence, patience, understanding the ability to know right from wrong.
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And CNN-Gallup show Kerry won by 52-39%.

I personally think Kerry sealed the deal last night.
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diamond... I think this picture is more appropriate...

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IMO Bush really did well. Kerry was alright. Bush and company must be kicking themselves b/c of that first debate...
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