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Old 12-30-2004, 01:25 PM   #16
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I'm proud of the $35 mil our president is pledging, and I'm sure that as the situation unfolds, that amount will increase.
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:27 PM   #17
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:51 PM   #18
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Re: $35 Million - Is it enough?

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So Bush has pledged the US to give $35 million towards the tsunami relief effort in Asia, Sri Lanka, Africa, Indonesia, etc. Is it enough? Do you think that if we weren't fighting in Iraq the US would give more? Do you think a larger relief effort by the US would help improve the country's international standing, which at the moment is incredibly low?

Personally, I think we probably spend $35million every half an hour in Iraq and that with over 100 million people dead and disease threatening to kill millions more, $35million is pathetically little.

What about you?
Since the aid amounts and the war spending are dictated by the budget, they can't just legally take money from one and give to the other. The aid amount is completely independant of the budget.

We should be thankful that this 35M IS just the beginning, and one of the biggest beneficiaries of that aid will be Indonesia, a country which in the last few yeares has NOT been friendly towards the US. At least Bush can set aside the political differences in the cause of helping out, and I'll bet the American people give by the tens of millions also,.
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No, it's not enough.

I'd also like to bring this lack of generosity to light for the hundreds of millions of Americans that seemed befuddled when 9/11 occured. American IS the most greedy, one of the least sensitive nation in the world, and it's THIS type of action that creates billions, if not millions of enemies that seek retribution.

When will we learn from our mistakes?

God bless American, but don't forget about the other nations. Please?
America is not the bad guy here, anything bad happens in the world and people find a reason to whine about America somehow. Europe wasn't exactly proactive in bringing peace to the Balkans, a genocidal tragedy they let happen on their own doorstep, probably more victims there than in the tsunami regions.

Still, even though Indonesia has been unfriendly towards the US the last few years, our governemnt is giving money, and our people are giving money. Be thankful for what you get, and by all means plead for more, but biting the hand that feeds is never a good idea.

There are a myriad of ways to give, I logged onto Amazon.com that morning, and there was a red cross donation place there, very convenient and easy to give.
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It's not as if these multi-million dollar donations that countries are pledging get sent over instantaneously and converted into disaster relief services. Problems and needs have to be assessed, budgets need to be drafted, people have to be dispatched, and so forth.

Pressing needs such as food and water are being addressed, but cleaning up after a series of tidal waves that have killed 100,000 people is a large, complicated task that's going to take a long time to fix. So let's all just calm down a bit right now.
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It's not as if these multi-million dollar donations that countries are pledging get sent over instantaneously and converted into disaster relief services. Problems and needs have to be assessed, budgets need to be drafted, people have to be dispatched, and so forth.

Pressing needs such as food and water are being addressed, but cleaning up after a series of tidal waves that have killed 100,000 people is a large, complicated task that's going to take a long time to fix. So let's all just calm down a bit right now.
That's great, and no doubt it will all happen as soon as Bush finishes up his vacation.

But it really ducks the issue. As has been posted here already, the UK has pledged the equivalent of $96 million. Australia has pledged the equivalent of $27 million. Maybe someone should tell these countries to stop pledging so much! After all, "problems and needs have to be assessed, budgets need to be drafted, people have to be dispatched, and so forth," first.
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America is not the bad guy here, anything bad happens in the world and people find a reason to whine about America somehow. Europe wasn't exactly proactive in bringing peace to the Balkans, a genocidal tragedy they let happen on their own doorstep, probably more victims there than in the tsunami regions.

Still, even though Indonesia has been unfriendly towards the US the last few years, our governemnt is giving money, and our people are giving money. Be thankful for what you get, and by all means plead for more, but biting the hand that feeds is never a good idea.

There are a myriad of ways to give, I logged onto Amazon.com that morning, and there was a red cross donation place there, very convenient and easy to give.
there are many things that bug me about the above post, but I don't want to get into it. This is neither the time or the place. I just would like to say that I don't see how it is relevant whether indonesia has been friendly to the US or not. Political history doesn't even come into it, and so is completely irrelevant here
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there are many things that bug me about the above post, but I don't want to get into it. This is neither the time or the place. I just would like to say that I don't see how it is relevant whether indonesia has been friendly to the US or not. Political history doesn't even come into it, and so is completely irrelevant here
It IS relevant though. The American president has pledged a huge amount of money (as a START) to a country which has been unfriendly towards him. It would be easy for him not to even pledge THAT much, I'm no Bush lover but I commend his actions to date.

"Here's $XXM"

"Not enough asshole"

Gratitude indeed.
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It IS relevant though. The American president has pledged a huge amount of money (as a START) to a country which has been unfriendly towards him. It would be easy for him not to even pledge THAT much, I'm no Bush lover but I commend his actions to date.

"Here's $XXM"

"Not enough asshole"

Gratitude indeed.
For the record, I'm not aware of any Indonesians that have said, here or elsewhere, "Not enough asshole," or anything like it. That's an irresponsible thing for you to write.

And no, it doesn't matter if the Indonesian government has been friendly or not. This is about everyday people who are not responsible for the actions of their government, whose lives have been ruined by factors beyond their control.

Also, I'd point out that it would most definitely NOT be easy for Bush to do nothing. Or at least, the results would not be easy to deal with. People think the world dislikes us now?
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No, it's not enough.

I'd also like to bring this lack of generosity to light for the hundreds of millions of Americans that seemed befuddled when 9/11 occured. American IS the most greedy, one of the least sensitive nation in the world, and it's THIS type of action that creates billions, if not millions of enemies that seek retribution.

When will we learn from our mistakes?

God bless American, but don't forget about the other nations. Please?
My friends in Iraq would find these statements absured! Everyday they risk their lives to protect and improve the lives of millions of non-US citizens!

The United States defeated Nazi Germany, protected the planet from the Expansion of Soviet control and dictatorship, and currently spends far more money defending the planets vital regions and global economy, without which, there would be little money if any to give to victims of natural disasters.
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We're so emotional right now. People are upset and hurt and all sorts of is going down.
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The United States defeated Nazi Germany
I hate the fact that this thread has been derailed, but I couldn't let this comment pass

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the US were key in the defeat of Nazi Germany yes, along with many other nations.
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Yeah I recommend that this thread be closed. It's getting out of hand considering the circumstances.
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yes.....please close this thread
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That's great, and no doubt it will all happen as soon as Bush finishes up his vacation.

But it really ducks the issue. As has been posted here already, the UK has pledged the equivalent of $96 million. Australia has pledged the equivalent of $27 million. Maybe someone should tell these countries to stop pledging so much! After all, "problems and needs have to be assessed, budgets need to be drafted, people have to be dispatched, and so forth," first.
Well, the reason my post "ducks the issue" is because I think it really isn't much of an issue at all. It's going to take an enormous amount of money, resources and time to repair the damage -- probably much more than has been pledged right now, so I think it's silly for people to be getting angry about the pledges that certain countries have made when it won't even be reaching the people who need it for a month or so.

If it's 3-6 months later and the US still hasn't delivered anything, then we can talk.
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