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Old 05-17-2006, 10:27 PM   #256
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Really? So you can't take polls as significant data when those taking them have had 6 years to judge his presidency?
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Old 05-17-2006, 10:37 PM   #257
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Really? So you can't take polls as significant data when those taking them have had 6 years to judge his presidency?
Elections involve millions of people voting! Polls involve hundreds of people answering questions over the phone. There is a difference.
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Elections involve millions of people voting! Polls involve hundreds of people answering questions over the phone. There is a difference.
So then if the Republicans lose the House in November, will that be a sign the country is sick of them or will it somehow still be super-duper for the GOP?

I mean, so that we're clear.
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Old 05-18-2006, 12:01 AM   #259
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So then if the Republicans lose the House in November, will that be a sign the country is sick of them or will it somehow still be super-duper for the GOP?

I mean, so that we're clear.
That will indeed be a sign. What the Democrats will actually accomplish with control in the House though would probably not be what their supporters hope for because of the lack of unity within the Democratic party.
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That will indeed be a sign. What the Democrats will actually accomplish with control in the House though would probably not be what their supporters hope for because of the lack of unity within the Democratic party.
Is the Republican party more united or just more sheepish and follow the herd?
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Its called a majority, something a candidate has not received in a presidential election since 1988.
Unfortunately for Bush, he will be more remembered as the first candidate to win the Presidency without winning the popular vote in 112 years, rather than the first candidate to win a majority in 16.
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Twenty percent of respondents viewed him favorably in a May survey
for CBS and The New York Times, compared with 29 percent for the president.
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[q]Backing Away From Bush

Some Republican Candidates Avoid
Ties With Unpopular President
By JOHN D. MCKINNON
May 23, 2006; Page A4

President Bush goes to Pennsylvania tomorrow to campaign for embattled Republican House members in the Philadelphia suburbs. But one of the candidates isn't expected to be there.

Mr. Bush "is really doing poorly in our state," says Rep. Curt Weldon, explaining why he won't be on hand and hasn't asked for the president's help. "I've got to win this by myself."

Well, almost. Mr. Weldon did invite Arizona Sen. John McCain to his district last month to help him campaign and raise money, and he is thinking about doing it again.

It isn't easy leading your party to victory when a lot of people aren't eager to follow. With Mr. Bush's job-approval ratings skidding as low as 30% in national polls, more Republican candidates face risks in associating closely with him. That is forcing the White House and Republican advisers to improvise a strategy for success.

So far, they are putting Mr. Bush on the road to raise huge amounts of cash -- the $100 million-plus he has raised exceeds the amounts he generated at this point in the past two election cycles -- much of it for state and national committees that can, in turn, contribute to endangered candidates. Republican strategists are also making more use of popular first lady Laura Bush. And they are seeking to boost the president's standing on his most troublesome issues -- notably Iraq, but also immigration and energy -- while highlighting their differences with Democrats and underscoring the importance of local issues.

Still, as Mr. Weldon's case shows, the plan has built-in limitations. While many lawmakers continue to request presidential visits, there are more and more places where an appearance by Mr. Bush could hurt the Republican candidate. While control of Congress remains theirs to lose, for Republicans the situation is certainly complicating matters, particularly as the focus shifts from early-season fund-raisers to late-season barnstorming.

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Same thing happened to Clinton in his second term. Politics is all about self interest.
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Same thing happened to Clinton in his second term. Politics is all about self interest.


can you point to examples, other than the obvious one -- Gore (which most likely harmed him as a candidate)?

also, Clinton had a sex scandal hanging over him. there's distancing oneself from the man himself, versus distancing oneself from the policies. in 1998, for example, most Dem candidates were happy to stand by the Clinton record, if not the man himself.

the opposite appears to be true for Bush.

instead of a piddling sex scandal, we have candidates distancing themselves from a series of failed policies, bungled foreign policy adventures, and an inability to perform even the most basic functions of government.
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There's something about second term presidents. Nixon had to resign, Reagan had Iran-Contra, Clinton had the impeachment, and now Bush is very unpopular because he can't stop screwing up. He could turn into a lame duck president.
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can you point to examples, other than the obvious one -- Gore (which most likely harmed him as a candidate)?

also, Clinton had a sex scandal hanging over him. there's distancing oneself from the man himself, versus distancing oneself from the policies. in 1998, for example, most Dem candidates were happy to stand by the Clinton record, if not the man himself.

the opposite appears to be true for Bush.

instead of a piddling sex scandal, we have candidates distancing themselves from a series of failed policies, bungled foreign policy adventures, and an inability to perform even the most basic functions of government.
By the end of Clinton's second term, the phrase "Clinton fatigue" was frequently used.

And Clinton's troubles were not just a sex scandal. In addition to the various other troubles that plagued him, the economic policies that let the dot com boom turn into recession were also evident at that time.
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By the end of Clinton's second term, the phrase "Clinton fatigue" was frequently used.

And Clinton's troubles were not just a sex scandal. In addition to the various other troubles that plagued him, the economic policies that let the dot com boom turn into recession were also evident at that time.


yes, but Bush has three years left. and the dot com bubble didn't burst until well into 2000, it was in March, i believe.

much of the bursting of the dot com bubble had more to do with overzealous Wall Street hysteria and the repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act, by the Republican Congress, that had separated investment and commercial banking and enabled the creation of bohemoths like Citigroup that gave us Enron, WorldCom, etc.
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I think Dubya would probably love to have 34% now - don't you all think? I read one poll last night that his rating was 28%
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much of the bursting of the dot com bubble had more to do with overzealous Wall Street hysteria and the repeal of the Glass-Steagal Act, by the Republican Congress, that had separated investment and commercial banking and enabled the creation of bohemoths like Citigroup that gave us Enron, WorldCom, etc.
Eh, the Glass-Steagall laws had been increasingly relaxed for 20+ years in financial services before President Clinton signed the act overturning it. No need to blame a single political party on the accounting shenanigans of a few renegade companies. The Republican Congress and Clinton were both right, Glass-Steagall was outdated.

To me, it was the blurred line between audit/compliance and "consulting" services provided by accounting firms like Arthur Andersen that allowed Enron and WorldCom to cook the books. I absolutely agree with your first point about overzealous investors, large and small alike. When people like you and me quit our jobs to day-trade, that was a disaster waiting to happen.
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