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Old 05-17-2006, 03:04 PM   #241
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and you're sidestepping the most crucial piece of data -- the 65% strong disapproval.

but continue to select whatever information you wish.

as for the Republicans who control all branches of government, Congressional approval ratings are around 22%. with Congressional Republicans quaking in their boots about their reelection chances, we're already seeing shifts in policy more favorable to democrats (Bush's overall immigration policy where he has basically proposed Amnesty) that in turn angers his base despite all the tawdry political stunt of calling up the National Guard.

of course, there's some gay bashing on the horizon in June with a vote on the FMA, and while that might give a few fundie bigots gigantic hard-ons, it simply makes Bush look less and less appealing to the mainstream which is increasingly in favor of marriage-like alternatives such as civil unions.

so hat's off to you all.
The most important issues which are US Foreign Policy, international trade, and the US economy are still firmly under control of Bush and the Republicans. Even if the Democrats were to win back the House Of Representitives in November, its unlikely they could change anything about the above issues. The Democrats had their opportunity in 2004 and they were soundly defeated for the Presidency, the Senate, and the House in a way this country has not seen in half a century when looking at all branches of elected government.

The ABC poll only goes back 25 years, and 65% disproval number in that poll can only be compared in that time frame. Its also a general disaproval, not a "strong disaproval".

Gallup is by far the most accurate polling group and they have been doing this sort of thing longer than any other existing polling group. I remember Democrats throwing shit at Gallup during 2004 claiming that it was a "Republican polling group" and that their results were inaccurate. On election day though, it was discovered that Gallup had been right on the money leaving.
Dem's favorite pollsters like Zogby in shock.
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Old 05-17-2006, 03:08 PM   #242
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Still doing super-duper!!!

That immigration idea of his that all his xenophobic bigots in the GOP are so supportive of is going marvelously.

Heckuva job!
Explain to me how Bush has not been able to set and implement his policy in Iraq, on Iran, North Korea, Afghanistan because of political opposition in the United States?
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Old 05-17-2006, 04:40 PM   #243
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Explain to me how Bush has not been able to set and implement his policy in Iraq, on Iran, North Korea, Afghanistan because of political opposition in the United States?
Seriously?

When you find in my post, which referenced ONLY the immigration issue, commentary on this strawman you've erected, we can talk.

Until that time...

Still doing super-duper!
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The most important issues which are US Foreign Policy, international trade, and the US economy are still firmly under control of Bush and the Republicans. Even if the Democrats were to win back the House Of Representitives in November, its unlikely they could change anything about the above issues. The Democrats had their opportunity in 2004 and they were soundly defeated for the Presidency, the Senate, and the House in a way this country has not seen in half a century when looking at all branches of elected government.

The ABC poll only goes back 25 years, and 65% disproval number in that poll can only be compared in that time frame. Its also a general disaproval, not a "strong disaproval".

Gallup is by far the most accurate polling group and they have been doing this sort of thing longer than any other existing polling group. I remember Democrats throwing shit at Gallup during 2004 claiming that it was a "Republican polling group" and that their results were inaccurate. On election day though, it was discovered that Gallup had been right on the money leaving.
Dem's favorite pollsters like Zogby in shock.


no matter how much lipstick you put on this pig, STING, Bush has become a political liability and history will not be kind. most conservative commentators have jumped ship on Bush, and potential GOP candidates like Sen. Allen are likening themselves to Reagan, and not Bush. this is a failed presidency, and the continued implementation of his policies due to the Republican control of all branches of government (including the SCOTUS) is driving this nation deeper and deeper into a black hole of massive spending hikes, exploding debt, a grotesque expansion of executive power, the biggest new entitlement in a generation, and unprecedented sleaze. this is why his polls are so low. it's not as if liberals or libertarians have become more opposed to Bush. it's that conservatives are abandoning him.

and i love "Dem's favorite pollsters." whenever you're backed into a corner, you pull out the political swipes and whine about bias and "liberals."

and btw, Gallup has Bush at 33% approval and 61% disapproval.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
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Here's how I remember it. Bush got 55 million votes; Kerry, 51 million. That's a difference of only 4 million votes. How is that a "sound" defeat?

Or am I forgetting something?
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STING, sometimes I wonder if you read your own posts and then I realize you probably aren't aware of how they come across. So allow me to tell you. Reading your posts, one can come only to a single conclusion - no other party in your country should even bother fielding candidates. Even in the event they win some seats, they will still be lame, powerless and so why bother putting for the energy and the money. We should also crown McCain king and get it over with.

Well, you know what, don't be so distraught. If the world could survive 6 years with a manifestly insane lunatic you call your president "leading" your nation, then you will survive November, when you lose the House, a chunk of your Governorships and a couple of Senate seats. And you'll still have your lying sack of shit in the White House, so cheer up.
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STING's talking points kind of remind me of Stephen Colbert.....
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STING's talking points kind of remind me of Stephen Colbert.....

But Colbert isn't as funny as STING.
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no matter how much lipstick you put on this pig, STING, Bush has become a political liability and history will not be kind. most conservative commentators have jumped ship on Bush, and potential GOP candidates like Sen. Allen are likening themselves to Reagan, and not Bush. this is a failed presidency, and the continued implementation of his policies due to the Republican control of all branches of government (including the SCOTUS) is driving this nation deeper and deeper into a black hole of massive spending hikes, exploding debt, a grotesque expansion of executive power, the biggest new entitlement in a generation, and unprecedented sleaze. this is why his polls are so low. it's not as if liberals or libertarians have become more opposed to Bush. it's that conservatives are abandoning him.

and i love "Dem's favorite pollsters." whenever you're backed into a corner, you pull out the political swipes and whine about bias and "liberals."

and btw, Gallup has Bush at 33% approval and 61% disapproval.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Polls don't determine whether a presidency is a failure or not. You can't accurately analyze the situation if you have 100% Amnesia to what has happened in every election since 2000. The Budget Deficits and National Debt are no higher as a percentage of GDP than they were in the peacetime of the 1980s. The country is at war, and as a result, there is going to be an increase in the both.

This Presidency has removed one of the biggest threats in history to the planets energy supply and the global economy with the removal of Saddam's regime and the enforcement of 17 UN Security Council Resolutions. Iraq has successfully elected its first government and approved a constitution. The Iraqi military continues to get stronger every day, unforunately not at the disneyland pace some believe it should. In Afganistan, the Taliban government was swiftly removed and there is now a growing Democracy. Al Quada's camps in Afghanistan were destroyed and much of its leadership captured or killed. Two countries with governments that threatened the United States and the planet have been removed and replaced with Democracies in the space of 4 years.

On the economy, the country is currently enjoying one of the lowest unemployment rates in its history. ABC news reports that the job opportunities for recent college graduates are the best they have ever been. GDP growth is solid and close to 5%. The poverty rate as of 2004 was the 17th lowest in the countries history and once statistics become available for 2006 will likely rank in the top 10 of the lowest rates ever.

All this has happened with a Republican president and republican control of the house and senate. Democrats love the polls and analyze them daily as if its required medication for something. But polls are not election results and are not having any impact on the above issues. The Democrats will have to wait until November to see if they can win the House. Even if they do, its unlikely they will be able to do much do to the lack of unity within their own party.

I don't get backed into corners, but its always interesting when you start to discuss members of the forum as opposed to the issues.
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Here's how I remember it. Bush got 55 million votes; Kerry, 51 million. That's a difference of only 4 million votes. How is that a "sound" defeat?

Or am I forgetting something?
Its called a majority, something a candidate has not received in a presidential election since 1988.
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STING, sometimes I wonder if you read your own posts and then I realize you probably aren't aware of how they come across. So allow me to tell you. Reading your posts, one can come only to a single conclusion - no other party in your country should even bother fielding candidates. Even in the event they win some seats, they will still be lame, powerless and so why bother putting for the energy and the money. We should also crown McCain king and get it over with.

Well, you know what, don't be so distraught. If the world could survive 6 years with a manifestly insane lunatic you call your president "leading" your nation, then you will survive November, when you lose the House, a chunk of your Governorships and a couple of Senate seats. And you'll still have your lying sack of shit in the White House, so cheer up.
Do you read your own post, or the vast majority of the post in here? I would think you would welcome post from the tiny minority of people in here that support Bush, or would you prefer to have a forum where there are only opinions that agree with your own on the issue?
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Polls don't determine whether a presidency is a failure or not.
Neither do elections.
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Unfortunately, it will take a couple of decades before an evaluation free from partisan momentum can take place.

Even FDR faced criticism over involvement in WWII from academians, unions, communists, and partisan foes (even after Pearl Harbor).
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Neither do elections.
They are a hell of a lot more relevant than polls, plus be re-elected when the public has had four years to judge your performance is enormously significant. You can't say that about polls.
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