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Old 05-12-2006, 03:24 AM   #196
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Old 05-12-2006, 07:46 AM   #197
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I read most of what STING has to say because he takes the time to contribute to our discussions in a way that no one else does. It gives me insight how people (my in-laws, for instance) can and will stand by Bush no matter what he does.
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I read most of what STING has to say because he takes the time to contribute to our discussions in a way that no one else does. It gives me insight how people (my in-laws, for instance) can and will stand by Bush no matter what he does.
I appreciate all opinions,
especially when some argument is given to support those beliefs.
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the collapsing numbers are a result of even his base deserting him,
the died in the wool conservatives

what to do to stop the bleeding?


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Bush plans immigration speech as debate heats up
Fri May 12, 2006 2:51pm ET


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush will push for a broad overhaul of U.S. immigration laws in a prime-time address on Monday that comes after weeks of nationwide rallies and a revived Senate effort to pass a bill.

The White House announced the Oval office address as a Defense Department official said the Pentagon was considering options for possibly sending troops or equipment to help with security on the U.S.-Mexican border.
bash the immigrants now
to shore up the base

and then
in November elections make sure there are plenty of anti-gay initiatives on state-wide ballots
to get the zealots to the polls
they only need to unite enough of the haters
to get 50% to the polls
to hold on to power
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Ah yes, if a substantial majority of the US population is concerned about illegal immigration, it is only addressed as an "election ploy". I think the debate has gone on long enough that we can move past that suggestion.
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Ask these people a year ago where their concerns were, and I can guarantee you that illegal immigration was not anywhere as high on their list as it currently is.

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When a CA Congressmen almost loses a safe seat in 2004 over the issue, it has been simmering for some time now.

Besides, more people can identify Mexico on a map than Iraq.
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Ah yes, if a substantial majority of the US population is concerned about illegal immigration, it is only addressed as an "election ploy". I think the debate has gone on long enough that we can move past that suggestion.
not what I am saying

yes, the President has been talking about immigration for some time now

and has had proposals

what I am referring to
is going on prime time tv to announce sending troops to the boarder

that is pure pandering for poll purposes
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When a CA Congressmen almost loses a safe seat in 2004 over the issue,
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so you are saying this is driven by partisan politics


and if what can cost the loss of "safe" seats, is given as a reason for policy

than changing the Iraq policy
should be the highest priority.
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what I am referring to
is going on prime time tv to announce sending troops to the boarder

that is pure pandering for poll purposes
If he did not give the speech, on any other issue it would be characterized as failing to address the situation or allowing a "do nothing" congress to make weak attempts to address the situation.

The top three issues today are immigration, gas prices and Iraq.
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so you are saying this is driven by partisan politics
No, not partisan politics.

I'm sure you remember the "human political sacrifice" done on local radio. Conservatives going after a Republican for giving lip service to the issue.

The voice of the people got the attention of Congress.
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No, not partisan politics.

I'm sure you remember the "human political sacrifice" done on local radio. Conservatives going after a Republican for giving lip service to the issue.

The voice of the people got the attention of Congress.
i am not on kfi (am radio) very much

but, yes I do remember

and they do pander to conservatives.

the fact that they went after Drier (a gay? GOP congressman) was an extra bonus for some
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Poll: Clinton outperformed Bush

(CNN) -- In a new poll comparing President Bush's job performance with that of his predecessor, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues.

The poll of 1,021 adult Americans was conducted May 5-7 by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Respondents favored Clinton by greater than 2-to-1 margins when asked
who did a better job at handling the economy (63 percent Clinton, 26 percent Bush)
and solving the problems of ordinary Americans (62 percent Clinton, 25 percent Bush).

On foreign affairs, the margin was 56 percent to 32 percent in Clinton's favor;
on taxes, it was 51 percent to 35 percent for Clinton;
and on handling natural disasters, it was 51 percent to 30 percent, also favoring Clinton.

Moreover, 59 percent said Bush has done more to divide the country, while only 27 percent said Clinton had.

When asked which man was more honest as president, poll respondents were more evenly divided, with the numbers -- 46 percent Clinton to 41 percent Bush -- falling within the poll's margin of error.
The same was true for a question on handling national security: 46 percent said Clinton performed better; 42 percent picked Bush.

Clinton was impeached in 1998 over testimony he gave in a deposition about an extramarital sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinksy. He was later aquitted by the Senate.
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Now ask those same participants what Clinton accomplished on Foreign Policy and I wonder what answer you would get. Compare what Clinton accomplished in Afghanistan and Iraq vs. what Bush has accomplished.
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Now ask those same participants what Clinton accomplished on Foreign Policy and I wonder what answer you would get. Compare what Clinton accomplished in Afghanistan and Iraq vs. what Bush has accomplished.
Compare the differences in how much it cost us...
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