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Old 03-17-2003, 09:04 PM   #31
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Another Death in Palestine

By Kara Spencer, WireTap
March 17, 2003

Rachel Corrie was a beautiful, kind, young woman. She was an artist and peace activist. She was going to graduate from college this year. She was 23 years old, and she was murdered on March 16th, 2003 in Palestine by an Israeli bulldozer.

Rachel was my friend.

We met in Olympia, WA, her hometown, when we were both students at Evergreen State College. I was a freshman and she was a high school senior. She begun her senior year taking classes at the local community college, through the Headstart program, and transfered to Evergreen partway through the year.

From the beginning of the year she was a frequent presence on campus. I would go over to my friends' place and she would be there drawing, painting, listening to music, or chatting while the rain fell outside.

Rachel was a friendly, open person, who was enthusiastic for life. She had deep blue eyes that conveyed intensity and passion. She was often smiling, and engaged in conversation and activity with everyone with equal compassion.

Rachel had a gift for empathy. Her sensitivity for injustice to humanity called her to work for social change on an active level. She worked to bring communities to action in positive, sustainable ways.

We danced together until sunrise at raves in Seattle, Olympia, and Portland. She read tarot cards for me in front of the fireplace. She created a huge colorful painting for me. We sat up all night talking, huddling under blankets, and laughing. We enjoyed life together, among the trees, under the stars, in the dorms, and at parties.

Rachel was vibrant. She was eager to take charge of life and seek her dreams.

We lost touch when I moved to Seattle and she went into the Conservation Corp, working long hours on the Olympic Peninsula to save money to continue school. I last saw her at a party in Olympia four years ago where we hugged, talked, danced, and promised to keep in touch.

I always think of Rachel with loving thoughts and hope that we will reconnect soon. Now, I'll never see Rachel again. Neither will her family, or her close friends, or the activists she was working intimitely with through the Olympia Movement for Justice and Peace and the International Solidarity Movement.

Rachel traveled to Israel this fall as a member of the International Solidarity Movement with hopes of setting up a sister-city relationship between Olympia and Rafah.

The Israel army is attempting to dishonor Rachel by claiming that she was acting irresponsibly, yet many believe her death was deliberate. The driver of the bulldozer drove forward over Rachel after she had climbed down from speaking with him. She was wearing a bright fluorescent coat, was holding a megaphone, and was standing in front of the bulldozer. She was trying to stop the illegal demolition of a Palestinian doctor's home.

The bulldozer began driving towards her. She waved for the bulldozer to stop and climbed onto the pile of rubble in front of her. The bulldozer continued to advance, burying her in the pile of rubble before driving over her twice.

The seven other ISM activists yelled for the driver to stop as they listened to Rachel's screams. Once the bulldozer had driven completely forward over Rachel, then backed over her again, they ran to dig her body out of the rubble and dirt. She was taken to the hospital where she was proclaimed dead of injuries to her head and chest.

Rachel was engaged in her work because she was truly dedicated to cultivating peace and compassion for all humanity. She hoped to contribute to creating a peaceful resolution to the Israeli occupation of Palestine.


From one of her first emails home to Olympia from Rafah:

"Even then you are always well aware that your experience of it is not at all the reality: what with the difficulties the Israeli Army would face if they shot an unarmed US citizen, and with the fact that I have money to buy water when the army destroys wells, and the fact, of course, that I have the option of leaving. Nobody in my family has been shot, driving in their car, by a rocket launcher from a tower at the end of a major street in my hometown. I have a home. I am allowed to go see the ocean. Ostensibly it is still quite difficicult for me to be held for months or years on end without a trial (this because I am a white US citizen, as opposed to so many others). When I leave for school or work I can be relatively certain that there will not be a heavily armed soldier waiting half-way between mud bay and downtown olympia at a checkpoint with the power to decide whether I can go about my business, and whether I can get home again when I'm done. So, if I feel outrage at arriving and entering briefly and incompletely into the world in which these children exist, I wonder conversely about how it would be for them to arrive in my world.

They know that children in the United States don't usually have their parents shot and sometimes get to see the ocean. But once you have seen the ocean and lived in a silent place, where water is taken for granted and not stolen in the night by bulldozers, and spent an evening when you didn't wonder if the walls of your home might suddenly fall inward waking you from your sleep, and met people who have never lost anyone – once you have experienced the reality of a world that isn't surrounded by murderous towers, tanks, armed 'settlements' and now a giant metal wall, I wonder if you can forgive the world for all the years of your childhood spent existing – just existing – in resistance to the constant stranglehold of the world's fourth-largest military apparatus – backed by the world's only superpower – in its attempt to erase you from your home. That is something I wonder about these children. I wonder what would happen if they really knew."
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This is definitely horrific, but there is a responsibility question that must be asked too.

If the driver saw her and intentionally killed her, he is responsible. From the picture, it looks as if he could see her to a point, but at the time the picture was taken, she would have been obscured by the bucket on the bulldozer. Couple that with the fact that she is said to have dropped to her knees - in which case there is no way he could have seen her. I doubt the killing was intentional.

My guess is that he assumed she would move out of the way - which is what she should have done.

While she certainly did not deserve to die, and nobody should for simply protesting, she bears a great deal of the responsibility for her own death. She put herself in harms way.

Again, let me re-state - she did not DESERVE to die, but she made choices that led to her own death.

Bottom line, it was a terrible accident.
Another fucked up line of reasoning!

He saw her from afar, yet still put the machine in gear and rolled forward.

He assumed she would move???? What was he, a psychic? He frikin saw her standing in his path, protesting. He knew she WASNT going to move. He mercilessly rolled her over and crushed her skull to a pulp.

ACCIDENT?

Let me ask you, actually dont bother answering: if you see someone standing in the road, do you proceed full steam ahead, assuming that they will move out of the way? Or do you stop or go around them just in case?

MURDER, DELIBERATE AND INTENTIONALLY CAUSING THE DEATH OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

This reasoning is making me sick.

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Deep I appreciate what you are trying to say, but I think that if it takes a death of 'one of our own' for us to discuss and demand of the powers that be to respond, with force if necessary, to hold Israel accountable for its murderous policies, then at least it happened.

I used to post about innocent Palestinians being murdered and forced out of their homes and people would respond with 'yeah but what about that suicide bombing' etc.

I just had a stroke of genius...if I use another prominent poster's line of reasoning, Ariel Sharon is directly responsible for the deaths of at least 3000 people in the last couple of years, including those that are Israeli, cause those are a result of bombings in retailiation for his policies.

Maybe his will be the next murderous regime we target.
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The Israel army is attempting to dishonor Rachel by claiming that she was acting irresponsibly, yet many believe her death was deliberate. The driver of the bulldozer drove forward over Rachel after she had climbed down from speaking with him. She was wearing a bright fluorescent coat, was holding a megaphone, and was standing in front of the bulldozer. She was trying to stop the illegal demolition of a Palestinian doctor's home.

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Don't count on America. The conservative right and the Zionist are in bed tight together. Joe Lieberman was on air 2 minutes after Powell (and he's a Democrat) supporting a war against Iraq.

Please don't take me wrong, I'm not anti-Sematic in any way. I just feel that Israel needs to be held responsible for their actions like any country.
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Don't count on America. The conservative right and the Zionist are in bed tight together. Joe Lieberman was on air 2 minutes after Powell (and he's a Democrat) supporting a war against Iraq.
I am not sure what this statement has to do with the tragedy of Rachel Corrie's death, but for what it's worth, Senator Lieberman went on record calling for war on Iraq as early as October, 2001. It is not some knee-jerk reaction of his; please remember that during the first Gulf War, Saddam Hussein's Iraq launched Scud missiles at civilian and military targets in Tel Aviv. Calling him a Zionist (in that he supports the existence of Israel) and saying who he is in bed with is a bit short sighted in my opinion. He has reasons for wanting action against Iraq, reasons I deem to be valid. While you are at it, you misght as well go ahead and castigate Democratic Congressman Tom Lantos of California, a survivor of Hitler's Holocaust who also supports an attack on Iraq. I think he has enough experience to wager a worthy opinion on anti-semitic tyrants with visions of regional domination.

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I am not sure what this statement has to do with the tragedy of Rachel Corrie's death, but for what it's worth, Senator Lieberman went on record calling for war on Iraq as early as October, 2001. It is not some knee-jerk reaction of his; please remember that during the first Gulf War, Saddam Hussein's Iraq launched Scud missiles at civilian and military targets in Tel Aviv. Calling him a Zionist (in that he supports the existence of Israel) and saying who he is in bed with is a bit short sighted in my opinion. He has reasons for wanting action against Iraq, reasons I deem to be valid. While you are at it, you misght as well go ahead and castigate Democratic Congressman Tom Lantos of California, a survivor of Hitler's Holocaust who also supports an attack on Iraq. I think he has enough experience to wager a worthy opinion on anti-semitic tyrants with visions of regional domination.

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Well I for one am sick of people leveling the anti-semitic label or invoking the Holocaust whenever someone calls a spade a spade.

The bottom line is, the case for war against Iraq has NOT been proven, whether you deem the lies you want to beLIEve to be valid or not.

Hence, if a leader, Jewish, Gentile or whatever, comes out and supports the attack, with full knowledge that there are better alternatives, then quite reasonably they can be castigated for what must clearly be some sort of ulterior motive. And of course Lieberman's reaction was knee-jerk, he made a very stupid hasty assumption that because Saddam launched missiles during the Gulf War, he must also have been behind Sept 11. The same stupid unproven allegation that Bush is making. Therefore, he is either a blithering idiot, or he has an ulterior motive.

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Don't count on America. The conservative right and the Zionist are in bed tight together. Joe Lieberman was on air 2 minutes after Powell (and he's a Democrat) supporting a war against Iraq.

Scarletwine.....You have me so confused. Joe Lieberman is a Zionist? Is he a Zionist because he supports the war or because he is Jewish? Are all Jews Zionists?

Is this the same Joe Leiberman that ran with Al Gore? Did the Zionists have a part in the election conspiracy? If so they decided that Joe Lieberman was not Zionist enough?


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Criticizing a U S president or the policies of an administration does not make one antii-American.

To criticize Sharron or his policies does not make one anti-Semitic

To question Lieberman’s objectiveness is not unreasonable or anti-Semitic.

Also, I think it might be difficult for Congressman Lantos to be objective in a discussion concerning a balanced approach to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
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The bottom line is, the case for war against Iraq has NOT been proven, whether you deem the lies you want to beLIEve to be valid or not.

Hence, if a leader, Jewish, Gentile or whatever, comes out and supports the attack, with full knowledge that there are better alternatives, then quite reasonably they can be castigated for what must clearly be some sort of ulterior motive. And of course Lieberman's reaction was knee-jerk, he made a very stupid hasty assumption that because Saddam launched missiles during the Gulf War, he must also have been behind Sept 11. The same stupid unproven allegation that Bush is making. Therefore, he is either a blithering idiot, or he has an ulterior motive.
First of all, I think it is still up to reasonable debate, hence, opinions, as to whether or not "the case for war" has or has not been proven. Also, the "full knowledge that there are better alternatives" is equally weighted in opinion, just as Senator Lieberman, with all of the information he has studied to form his own opinion, may think the obvious truth is that Iraq should be attacked. I for one have ulterior motives beyond the possible links to 9-11 (I said "possible" because I am not sure of them myself); my motives are the fear that Saddam Hussein is a hostile player int he region and the most likely to develop and use chemical weapons, and weapons of mass destruction, against his own people and neighbors. You disagree with me, but I do not think your are stupid or a sheep or anything.



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You mean like Ariel Sharon and his murderous regime?
I do think that Sharon has a murderous regime as well; he is not my choice of leader for Israel. I would prefer former PM Ehud Barak or former Foreign Minister Shimon Perez. Sharon's past is bloody (as is Yasser Arafat's), and Sharon is moving in the wrong direction when it comes to peace in his country and at his country's borders. He should withdraw all Israeli troops and settlements out of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. That being said, please keep in mind that such withdrawals are not the only objectives of groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah. Their objective is the detruction of Israel and the removal of "the dirty Jews" from "their" Muslim lands. I disagree with these objectives.

gabrielvox, I used to get mad in these forums, but I no longer get mad. You can not make me mad in here, and therefore you can not provoke me to say something that would get me banned. I see many posts of yours that I disagree with but I only debate some of them with you. I am sure you are not as hostile in person as you sometimes appear in your posts. Thanks for listening.

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I hope no-one misunderstood me, I was not in fact expressing any lack of sympathy at this girl's death. It is indeed a tragedy, I just dont see a thread here for every Palestinian that is killed as a result of Israeli "reprisals".

Nor do I condone suicide bombings, they are a terrible act and of course innocent Israelis are dying as well as innocent Palestinians.

There is however a simple solution to this, how many lives must be taken on either side before it is realised?
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Scarletwine.....You have me so confused. Joe Lieberman is a Zionist? Is he a Zionist because he supports the war or because he is Jewish? Are all Jews Zionists?

Is this the same Joe Leiberman that ran with Al Gore? Did the Zionists have a part in the election conspiracy? If so they decided that Joe Lieberman was not Zionist enough?
No, sorry I was not clear. I was speaking of Leiberman as a Democrat supporting the war, and a member of the Jewish faith. I could sight Gephardt also as a Dem.

I do believe the Administration is very one-sided in regards to the Middle East Conflict.
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The author of that little statement is one messed up individual. It makes me sick to think that someone could attempt to justify the killing of an innocent woman in that way.

Does he even know why she was standing there? She was trying to stop the tank driver from knocking down a Palestinian family's home. Isn't that a horrendous crime? She wanted to stop an Israeli tank from demolishing someone's home. That definitely justifies murdering her, doesn't it?

What kind of sick, twisted man wrote that thing? :cry:
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