218 Reasons NOT to vote Liberal!!!!!!

[Calluna]

Yes, I know the difference between socialism and communism.

Well, if you know the difference then call it what it is and quit using scare-mongering tactics like calling them commies to make them seem worse than they are. All it ends up doing is making you look ignorant.

Pro-pot/pro-war: I dislike both. For pot, I feel that for many people, it is gateway drug that leads to harder addictions. I hate war though. Don't get me wrong, I love watching it movies. I hate that differences move nations to war. But I understand that war is sometimes necessary.

That gateway drug thing is a myth and a cop-out. How many lives are lost from smoking pot? How many lives have been lost in Iraq so far? Compare the difference.

I'm glad you hate war but if the conservatives win, your country will be involved in it too, mark my words.

 

[Calluna]

hard facts

 

[boosterjuice]

Well, if you know the difference then call it what it is and quit using scare-mongering tactics like calling them commies to make them seem worse than they are. All it ends up doing is making you look ignorant.


That gateway drug thing is a myth and a cop-out. How many lives are lost from smoking pot? How many lives have been lost in Iraq so far? Compare the difference.

I'm glad you hate war but if the conservatives win, your country will be involved in it too, mark my words.

Calluna,

About the "commies" scare tactics; What are you talking about? I think you have me confused with someone else. I didn't refer to the Communist Party of Canada as "commies".

As far as the pot argument goes; this one hits close to home as I had my best friend get started on pot and eventually ended up a coke-head who stole from his friends/family to support his habit. He's now going through rehab. So for me, it's not a cop-out.

As far as Canada being involved in a war - I hope not. However, Canada going to Afgahnistan was needed. And if a country/terrorist org attacks our country, we should have the means/balls to defend our nation.

 

[lmjhitman]

It's talking about hard facts, not emotion.

give me a BREAK!

those 'reasons' are written in such an opinionated tone, it's laughable.

The article you are referring to wasn't an email. It's a newspaper column writen in the Toronto Sun.

wow. the toronto sun. that's top notch journalism there.

i think this debate is done.

thanks for coming out.

 

[Calluna]

Calluna,

About the "commies" scare tactics; What are you talking about? I think you have me confused with someone else. I didn't refer to the Communist Party of Canada as "commies".

This is what I am talking about:

I would probably get more accepting remarks if I were to endorse the Marijuana Party/Communist Party instead of the Conservatives.

So you said communist instead of commie. It's still ignorant scare-mongering and you lose credibility for using it.

As far as the pot argument goes; this one hits close to home as I had my best friend get started on pot and eventually ended up a coke-head who stole from his friends/family to support his habit. He's now going through rehab. So for me, it's not a cop-out.

Your friend was probably an addictive personality and would have started using something else regardless of whether or not he/she had ever smoked pot. Plenty of people who smoke pot go their whole lives without becoming addicted to other drugs.

As far as Canada being involved in a war - I hope not. However, Canada going to Afgahnistan was needed. And if a country/terrorist org attacks our country, we should have the means/balls to defend our nation.

I'm not talking about Afghanistan here. And you sure do talk an awful lot about balls.

 

[boosterjuice]

give me a BREAK!

those 'reasons' are written in such an opinionated tone, it's laughable.


wow. the toronto sun. that's top notch journalism there.

i think this debate is done.

thanks for coming out.

Of course the "reasons" are written in an opinionated tone. They are the authors reasons for not voting Liberal.


Imjhitman; instead of criticizing everything I post, why don't you talk about some of your opinions? I'd love to hear your political views rather than the constant bashing that you've been dishing at me.

 

[boosterjuice]

This is what I am talking about:

So you said communist instead of commie. It's still ignorant scare-mongering and you lose credibility for using it.


Your friend was probably an addictive personality and would have started using something else regardless of whether or not he/she had ever smoked pot. Plenty of people who smoke pot go their whole lives without becoming addicted to other drugs.


I'm not talking about Afghanistan here. And you sure do talk an awful lot about balls.

Very funny comment about the balls! ( I just feel that using the word "balls" makes the statement more powerful).

Commie: I'm still lost with you on that one. I'm really failing to see how I was using scare tactics there.


Pot: You're right. Many people smoke pot in peace and never experiment more. However, if you legalize pot, you instantly make it accessible to much more people. And in doing so, you also give greater pot exposure to the dormant "gateway" population.

 

[fah]

Why I'm not voting for Harper/Conservative:

He has a Calgary Flames hockey puck on his desk

 

[A_Wanderer]

However, if you legalize pot, you instantly make it accessible to much more people.

It's easier for a 13 year old to buy pot than alcohol and tobacco.

 

[indra]

Pot: You're right. Many people smoke pot in peace and never experiment more. However, if you legalize pot, you instantly make it accessible to much more people. And in doing so, you also give greater pot exposure to the dormant "gateway" population.

And an awful lot of people who eventually use hard drugs also smoke regular cigarettes and drink alcohol too. Do you propose making them illegal? And beer is certainly a "gateway" drug to harder liquor. That at the very least should be made illegal, as there are a lot of alcoholics around.

 

[VintagePunk]

Imjhitman,

What is so emotional about that list? It's a list of reasons not to vote liberal. I'm sure you have reasons not to vote conservative. There's really nothing emotional about it. It's talking about hard facts, not emotion.

The article you are referring to wasn't an email. It's a newspaper column writen in the Toronto Sun.

A heavily conservative paper, very well known for their propaganda!

I hope that their readership - at least the ones who purchase the rag for more than their sports pages or the Sunshine girl - have the critical thinking skills to see what a bunch of tripe that list is. It's hardly unbiased and factual.

 

[BVS]

I feel that we should try to embrace our differences in political views rather than attempt to belittle those who share a view that's unpopular in this forum.

This is extremely ironic given the article you posted.

 

[anitram]

In a period of unbelievable prosperity and incredibly robust economy and a dollar that's stronger than it's been in decades, people want to dump the current government for a wacko nutjob who is so far up Dubya's ass he's coming out of his throat. Sounds like a brilliant plan.

At least W's sense of personal pettiness kept him away from here while Martin was PM. Now watch his ugly mug show up here and eat up several $$ millions on security, probably before the month is up.

 

[verte76]

The "marijuana party"? If I were Canadian I'd vote for them.

 

[boosterjuice]

This is extremely ironic given the article you posted.

How is it ironic?

 

[2numb2feel]

How is it ironic?

Because the article is clearly conservative propaganda and the conservatives' policies are the least tolerant of any of the parties (see gay marriage, anti-abortion, the war in Iraq, for example).

BTW, your article gives me about 50 reasons to vote Liberal (there's more where those came from), and 168 reasons NOT to vote conservative.

 

[boosterjuice]

And an awful lot of people who eventually use hard drugs also smoke regular cigarettes and drink alcohol too. Do you propose making them illegal? And beer is certainly a "gateway" drug to harder liquor. That at the very least should be made illegal, as there are a lot of alcoholics around.

No, I don't think cigs and alcohol should be illegal. The US already tried prohibition without any success.

Legalizing Pot: I just don't see how doing this is actually going to help society. I see far more potential negatives that positives. Sure, it can be used for medicinal purposes. But to me, the risks far outweigh the rewards.

 

[anitram]

Any party which even so much as vaguely hints at taking away my right to choose will NEVER get my vote. Ever. Period. Case closed. And you can bet there are loads of women who will hold their noses and vote for the Liberals on this issue alone.

 

[boosterjuice]

Because the article is clearly conservative propaganda and the conservatives' policies are the least tolerant of any of the parties (see gay marriage, anti-abortion, the war in Iraq, for example).

BTW, your article gives me about 50 reasons to vote Liberal (there's more where those came from), and 168 reasons NOT to vote conservative.

My question was addressed to Bonovoxsuperstar but I'll respond to your comments.


The article, IMO, is not conservative propaganda. The author isn't working for the conservative party, she is just listing reasons that are important to her. There have been many election articles written over this campaign that support a party's perticular view. Other newspapers have openly thrown their support for the Conservatives this election, ie, the Globe & Mail. Is that propaganda?

 

[boosterjuice]

Any party which even so much as vaguely hints at taking away my right to choose will NEVER get my vote. Ever. Period. Case closed. And you can bet there are loads of women who will hold their noses and vote for the Liberals on this issue alone.

Did the conservatives vaguely hint at this or was it the Liberals who planted this fear about the conservatives?

 

[BVS]

How is it ironic?

You're asking others not to belittle, but that's all the article did. Can you not see that?

 

[AliEnvy]

And if a country/terrorist org attacks our country, we should have the means/balls to defend our nation.

Then use your vote/balls to keep Harper from selling Canada to his Texan oil-obsessed friends.

Dropping an inflammatory article like that in here then trying to play Mr. Rational is bad form, dude, bad form.

 

[Zoomerang96]

booster7uice, stop acting like such a tool.

you got that article from the fucking sun.

you should be ashamed of yourself, that's the worst tabloid this side of the atlantic and makes even the brits blush.

what a terrible day.

 

[Zoomerang96]

oh, and thanks booster7uice for doing you're part in electing the conservatives today.

everyone in the country who didn't vote for them is most grateful.

 

[2numb2feel]

My question was addressed to Bonovoxsuperstar but I'll respond to your comments.


The article, IMO, is not conservative propaganda. The author isn't working for the conservative party, she is just listing reasons that are important to her. There have been many election articles written over this campaign that support a party's perticular view. Other newspapers have openly thrown their support for the Conservatives this election, ie, the Globe & Mail. Is that propaganda?

Technically, propaganda is the dissemination of information specifically for the purpose of influencing public opinion so whether the author is working for the party or not is irrelevant. That also answers your question regarding the Globe and Mail. In this case the article is misleading because every point lacks context, evidence or the arguments to support the contention that they are 'reasons' at all, let alone 'reasons not to vote liberal'.

 

[AliEnvy]

While we're at it, might as well get the other side...

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=192


Friday, January 20th, 2006
Michael Moore Statement on Canadian Election

Oh, Canada -- you're not really going to elect a Conservative majority on Monday, are you? That's a joke, right? I know you have a great sense of humor, and certainly a well-developed sense of irony, but this is no longer funny. Maybe it's a new form of Canadian irony -- reverse irony! OK, now I get it. First, you have the courage to stand against the war in Iraq -- and then you elect a prime minister who's for it. You declare gay people have equal rights -- and then you elect a man who says they don't. You give your native peoples their own autonomy and their own territory -- and then you vote for a man who wants to cut aid to these poorest of your citizens. Wow, that is intense! Only Canadians could pull off a hat trick of humor like that. My hat's off to you.

Far be it from me, as an American, to suggest what you should do. You already have too many Americans telling you what to do. Well, actually, you've got just one American who keeps telling you to roll over and fetch and sit. I hope you don't feel this appeal of mine is too intrusive but I just couldn't sit by, as your friend, and say nothing. Yes, I agree, the Liberals have some 'splainin' to do. And yes, one party in power for more than a decade gets a little... long. But you have a parliamentary system (I'll bet you didn't know that -- see, that's why you need Americans telling you things!). There are ways at the polls to have your voices heard other than throwing the baby out with the bath water.

These are no ordinary times, and as you go to the polls on Monday, you do so while a man running the nation to the south of you is hoping you can lend him a hand by picking Stephen Harper because he's a man who shares his world view. Do you want to help George Bush by turning Canada into his latest conquest? Is that how you want millions of us down here to see you from now on? The next notch in the cowboy belt? C'mon, where's your Canadian pride? I mean, if you're going to reduce Canada to a cheap download of Bush & Co., then at least don't surrender so easily. Can't you wait until he threatens to bomb Regina? Make him work for it, for Pete's sake.

But seriously, I know you're not going to elect a guy who should really be running for governor of Utah. Whew! I knew it! You almost had me there. Very funny. Don't do that again. God, I love you, you crazy cold wonderful neighbors to my north. Don't ever change.

Michael Moore

 

[boosterjuice]

booster7uice, stop acting like such a tool.

you got that article from the fucking sun.

you should be ashamed of yourself, that's the worst tabloid this side of the atlantic and makes even the brits blush.

what a terrible day.

Please don't attack me personally.

Just because I have a different viewpoint does not give you allowances to personally attack someone.

 

[Calluna]

He didn't attack you personally, he attacked the newspaper.

AliEnvy, thanks for posting that article.

 

[Amigone]

Vote liberal - Cancel out a conservative vote! I usually vote NDP but there's no way this time.

I'm an engaged lesbian in Calgary, Alberta waiting until tonight when Harper is announced prime minister to have my rights taken away.

Thumbs down, Canada.

 

[VintagePunk]

Just voted. Now all I can do is wait.