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Old 10-18-2016, 11:39 AM   #796
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I’ve been searching this thread on Hillary Clinton and corruption and have not found any discussions going on. Maybe I missed it somewhere.
We've had several threads, so yeah, you missed it.



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For the first time since Ronald Reagan I will be voting for the Republican candidate for president. I agree Donald Trump has flaws. He is far from perfect but compared to Hillary Clinton, he appears almost like a saint.
This is so sad, on so many levels. I mean I know where it comes from, and a Mack truck full of facts could hit you and you still wouldn't see it, but it's just sad.

Yeah Hillary is flawed, but Trump is dangerous.

A serial fabricator
An authoritarian
An assailant
He won't take nuking Europe off the table
He wants to remove bases from countries unless they pay him
He wants to track people of certain religions


But oh yeah Benghazi and the 13 Republican lead investigations that couldn't come up with anything


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If corruption worries you, try a search on Donald Trump.
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Old 10-18-2016, 12:12 PM   #798
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It's like you quoted me, but you didn't read what was written in the quote.

You figuratively quote the part where I say..

And you follow it up by saying ...

Blows my mind.
Come on, this is not too hard. You are subsuming individuals into groups, and by doing this you essentially overlook their own individuality identity.

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Very simply put, I believe the Muslim community (as a community, not just any random Muslim) has a role in educating people as to who they are and what they stand for.
You presume that there is such a thing as the "Muslim community" that is and stands as one entity. Or a unified gay community that stands and thinks as one. Bias and discrimination - particularly of the subconscious kind - usually start by a process of deindividualization. Which is why you hear people asking the [insert minority here] community to act as one, whereas the very idea of a "white community" doesn't even make sense. Because the latter is treated as a collection of individuals with their own views, emotions and motivations, not as a unified group that needs to take a "stand" vis-a-vis others.
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We've had several threads, so yeah, you missed it.


But oh yeah Benghazi and the 13 Republican lead investigations that couldn't come up with anything


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Well, that's because those investigations were rigged. We need another panel to investigate, but this one will be different. We'll go back to Salem trials, and if she floats, she's a witch!

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Trump sounds like a nice guy, part 1562:

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A People’s History of Donald Trump's Business Busts and Countless Victims

Trump regularly cheats at golf, even revising his scorecard after a match to transform defeat into victory, according to two people who have played with him. He persuaded an elderly couple who ran a Florida antique store to let him “try out” two valuable pieces, then refused to return or pay for them, according to someone close to the Trump family. He bought expensive jewelry at Bulgari on Manhattan’s Fifth Avenue, then colluded with the store to have empty boxes supposedly containing his purchase shipped out of state so he could dodge New York sales tax, court records show. After dragging a buddy through years of litigation, Trump told the man he had filed the suit only because he was angry the friend had not given him enough public credit for his success, according to a person who witnessed the conversation.

When business executives came to his office, Trump bragged about his current wife, Melania, and showed them nude photographs from her modeling days, two bankers say. Trump encourages staff at the Trump Organization to tell him the faults of co-workers who are standing there, creating a vicious corporate environment, a former executive says. His niece and nephew sued him, alleging Trump used his influence over his then-demented father to rewrite his will and cut out his brother’s side of the family. Enraged by the suit, Trump reneged on a family commitment to pay the medical bills for his nephew’s sick baby. (They settled under confidential terms.)

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Another example emerged the following year. Trump purchased an old hotel and adjacent apartment building for redevelopment on Central Park South, one of the toniest streets in Manhattan. A little more than 100 tenants occupied the rent-controlled apartments, but Trump launched a campaign to drive them out, according to court documents filed by city and state officials. He filed a barrage of what the city called “nuisance suits” against the residents. He cut off their heat and hot water. He tried to move homeless people into empty apartments to annoy or even frighten the residents. He decreased security for the building, and over those 18 months, the number of burglaries in the building skyrocketed.
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread XIV: May This Entertainment Never End

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Come on, this is not too hard. You are subsuming individuals into groups, and by doing this you essentially overlook their own individuality identity.



You presume that there is such a thing as the "Muslim community" that is and stands as one entity. Or a unified gay community that stands and thinks as one. Bias and discrimination - particularly of the subconscious kind - usually start by a process of deindividualization. Which is why you hear people asking the [insert minority here] community to act as one, whereas the very idea of a "white community" doesn't even make sense. Because the latter is treated as a collection of individuals with their own views, emotions and motivations, not as a unified group that needs to take a "stand" vis-a-vis others.

Come on? You just basically accused me of effectively blaming muslims for jihadist actions. Are you serious?


Whether you like it or not, [insert minority here] will be perceived as a group. And perception is all that's relevant when it comes to higher order actions like this. You can cross your arms and demand individuality, but that doesn't help fix anything. Are you a minority of any sort? Maybe you think I think "the Muslim community" refers to a gathering of everyone Muslim. Maybe you think I think "the gay community" refers to everyone who shows up to a pride parade. Maybe you don't fundamentally understand what "community" means in this context. Using "community" in this context isn't "overlooking individual identity." Community in this context very literally encompasses the diverse cultures and subcultures from within a very broad group of people. I've in no way implied that one speaks for all, whatsoever. This is the very point of the use of the "Muslim community" term. Muslims of all sorts and all kinds don't want to have terrorists and jihadists incorporated into their collective "community." Just like liberals don't want someone who fucking bombed a political institution for being racist in their "community."


And please don't ever fucking tell me about the gay community.
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I’ve been searching this thread on Hillary Clinton and corruption and have not found any discussions going on. Maybe I missed it somewhere.

For the first time since Ronald Reagan I will be voting for the Republican candidate for president. I agree Donald Trump has flaws. He is far from perfect but compared to Hillary Clinton, he appears almost like a saint.
That's because nobody from the Trump side of things has shown their face in here since before the Billy Bush tapes...

But there has been plenty of talk of Hillary corruption from non Republicans.

There are plenty of people who plan to vote for Hillary based solely on her being the lesser of two (or four) evils. I count myself in that category.

But there hasn't been anyone to actually defend Trump's actions and words and present an argument on why he's the lesser of two evils in a while... so please, by all means, step right up.

Reality is this is an election in which the Republicans could have walked to victory. The only way they could lose is to put forth a candidate so vile, so unbelievably and obviously unqualified for the job that there'd be no choice but to overlook Clinton's many flaws and vote for her.

And low and behold, that's exactly what they did.

If the GOP hadn't become a clown car in a dumpster fire, they'd be looking at a distinct possibility of owning all three branches, what with the potential restructuring of the supreme court over the next couple of years.

Instead, they're looking at extinction.
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There are plenty of people who plan to vote for Hillary based solely on her being the lesser of two (or four) evils. I count myself in that category.
Being a citizen of what is shaking out to be a particularly blue state this time around, I want to exercise my right to vote for a third party, but it's just not happening. Ganja Gary has fallen off the deep end and the more I read about Jill Stein, the less enthused I am about her.

I may vote for Hillary just to really nail home that I didn't vote for Trump.
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If there was a viable third option I would easily cast my vote in that direction. A well funded independent who could speak to moderates on both sides could have made things very interesting.


I wonder if Mike Bloomberg sometimes looks at what has become of this election and regrets his decision not to run. He may have been able to deny either candidate the ability to obtain 270, and things could have gotten very interesting in the House with all of the Republican defectors from Trump.

Ultimately though if it came to it the NRA would threaten Republican senators and Trump would have won in the House after all, so it's likely he made the correct call by sitting this one out.
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For the first time since Ronald Reagan I will be voting for the Republican candidate for president. I agree Donald Trump has flaws. He is far from perfect but compared to Hillary Clinton, he appears almost like a saint.
Sure, when you read the sorts of sources that you do regularly.
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Sure, when you read the sorts of sources that you do regularly.

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If there was a viable third option I would easily cast my vote in that direction. A well funded independent who could speak to moderates on both sides could have made things very interesting.


I wonder if Mike Bloomberg sometimes looks at what has become of this election and regrets his decision not to run. He may have been able to deny either candidate the ability to obtain 270, and things could have gotten very interesting in the House with all of the Republican defectors from Trump.

Ultimately though if it came to it the NRA would threaten Republican senators and Trump would have won in the House after all, so it's likely he made the correct call by sitting this one out.
Just wait and see what happens to the GOP after this election. I think you'll start getting more "outsiders" coming into the party, a la Tea Party years ago. They'll fracture even more, and eventually there may become a 3rd Party of old school GOP lawmakers.

Not sure if something like that will happen with the Dems, as in will more socialist/Bernie type candidates start running under the D label, continuing this "movement" that Bernie started?

I think it's less likely
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Wow, Trump's average has dropped below 40% again.

Time for some scorched earth goodness in debate #3.
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Should make for some entertaining viewing.
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