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Old 10-17-2016, 07:55 PM   #751
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I think feeling the need to prove you are against fear tactics by sending money to hiding-in-plain-sight hate groups is insane.
yup.

condemn the act. have sympathy. no one is suggesting that it was a good thing to do. but to give them money is fucking insane.
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Old 10-17-2016, 08:00 PM   #752
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yup.

condemn the act. have sympathy. no one is suggesting that it was a good thing to do. but to give them money is fucking insane.
Seems like at least Vlad thought it was a good thing to do.
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It's difficult to have sympathy for people who support the things the NC Republicans support. If it walks and talks like a misogynist racist bigot then maybe it is one.
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I have very little sympathy for Republicans, and I sincerely doubt they would have sympathy for me to start with.
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Pretty certain the whole of my family aren't evil human beings that lash out at other people for no good reason, but good job at not judging other people yourself.
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I would like to see if there's any correlation between those donating (or defending it) to rebuild this building and those who get upset when anti-fascists confront Neo Nazis.
considering there is an actual ocean between where "anti-fascists confront Neo Nazis" these days and anything to do with this incident i'm sure the correlation is near zero.

you're really over-excitedly reaching with all this, vlad.
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I just get so angry about this stuff, I really do. There are reprehensible politicians and then there are every dy average people who honestly buy into what amounts to a lot of lies about how the Republican party can help them. Evangelicals and even just average religious people (which would definitely include my family) get roped into this guilt-cycle where people who are getting tons of money that they themselves will never see, are convinced that basically if they don't vote for Republicans, they'll go to hell. It sickens and disturbs me, and I feel bad for them, I really do. That's my world-view. But I'm not about to sit there and say that they are bad people because they're republicans.

Anyways, I have NO knowledge whatsoever of what the NC Republican party has done that has everyone so unwilling to help them, so I'm going to drop it. I'm just disappointed by the lack of empathy at play here, and the idea that it's NOT OK to help people you don't agree with. But, if what they've done is truly that bad, then I could be led to at least understand.
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I have NO knowledge whatsoever of what the NC Republican party has done that has everyone so unwilling to help them
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i agree with everything you said, btw. the way a person votes doesn't affect their value as a person, to me. let's just keep that shit to ourselves if we disagree but get along otherwise.
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Forgot that was them, thanks Dave.
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I just get so angry about this stuff, I really do. There are reprehensible politicians and then there are every dy average people who honestly buy into what amounts to a lot of lies about how the Republican party can help them. Evangelicals and even just average religious people (which would definitely include my family) get roped into this guilt-cycle where people who are getting tons of money that they themselves will never see, are convinced that basically if they don't vote for Republicans, they'll go to hell. It sickens and disturbs me, and I feel bad for them, I really do. That's my world-view. But I'm not about to sit there and say that they are bad people because they're republicans.
I understand your sense of frustration here because I too have family members (mercifully not too many in the immediate family) whom I truly consider backwards in their political views and who may fall into various categories of -ists (racists, sexist, what have you). If you looked at them on the whole they would not be bad people, they contribute to society, are generally great to their families, generous to a fault, etc. But they have bought into various lies and myths.

However I do think it is fair to fault them for wilful blindness. They for the most part choose to live in their bubble which they reinforce by reading/watching the same news sources, repeatedly falling for circulated nonsense whether through e-mail or by listening to neighbours/friends, sticking to the same daily routines that do not take them out of their comfort zone, etc. At some point we are all adults and capable of critical thinking but we have to want to open our eyes a little. It is not impossible because sometimes I look at a family of siblings and one or two are nutbags but the other ones are normal people. They had the same parents and the same upbringing and opportunities, but some seized on them and others didn't. When you choose to be ignorant and worse yet celebrate your ignorance, at some point you become a cog in the wheel of injustice and evil in this world. We can sugarcoat it however we like but it's true nonetheless.
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But doesn't everyone, average religious people included, have an obligation to think critically and evaluate the veracity of what any political party tells them? Political affiliation really is a choice, so by choosing a party, a candidate, a position, one chooses to embrace that position and all it encompasses. If that candidate or position results on harm to others, then one bears some responsiblity for that harm.


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Simultaneous posts say essentially the same thing.


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And I get what the both of you are saying, believe me. I came in kinda hot today, but it's just out of a feeling of helplessness more than anything.

I don't think it's *quite* as simple as we'd like for it to be, to just say to a person, THINK FOR YOURSELF, though, especially when religious manipulation is involved.
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the way a person votes doesn't affect their value as a person, to me.
If you vote Trump, or UKIP, or Golden Dawn, or Front National, or One Nation, or similar, yes, I will judge you negatively for that.

People who willingly give support to racist, sexist, misogynistic, homophobic, authoritarian, fascist or quasi-fascist movements deserve no sympathy.

I should note, I would have no problem if Democrats were raising money to support the family of a hypothetical Republican congressional candidate with a kid who has some rare illness that is eye-wateringly expensive to treat. That would be a welcome show of non-partisan generosity. But actively helping a particularly unpleasant wing of the enemy continue their war on women, minorities, and many achievements that took decades or centuries to accomplish? I cannot justify that.
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I think you're missing the point. This wasn't a hurricane or some act of nature.

"The radical left" just bombed the opposition.

"The moderate left" has a responsibility to make amends and disavow, and disassociate with this "radical left." The fact that the republicans don't do this are part of why they suck so much.
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