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Old 10-10-2016, 07:03 PM   #376
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It's not like these debates have much of an impact on polls, or swaying people's minds.

And one final note. I fear for Hillary's life when she's elected. The rhetoric during this cycle has been the worst I've ever seen/heard. Trump has made more than a few remarks to incite potential violence against her. The GOP has spent 30 years turning Clinton(s) into the devil.
Actually, the debates have a profound impact on the remaining undecided voters and it's effectively the only opportunity for the candidate that is trailing to gain any ground barring some October surprise. Basically, if you're behind and the debates are over, what's randomly going to change over the final couple weeks when you're just doing your stump speech in swing states and flooding the airwaves with attack ads? Answer: Nothing.

I actually don't really fear for the lives of our Commander In Chiefs anymore because of the obvious sympathy aspect that comes into play when someone is assassinated (see Kennedy). If you assassinate a leader you politically disagree with (beyond risking your own life and freedom in the process), you're only going to hurt your own cause and help theirs once the dust settles. In other words, it's a total lose situation from every standpoint. Not that their won't be crazies that consider it, mind you. But actually going through with it, especially from a political disagreement, in 2016? Nah.
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Old 10-10-2016, 07:04 PM   #377
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It's funny, they absolutely hate Hillary, and like you said almost anyone they put up against her would have had a chance due to her baggage(real or imagined), but they chose the one that almost guaranteed her the seat.
Well, by "they" you just mean a bare majority of primary voters, many of whom were previously disenfranchised and brought into the process via Trump's anti-trade pact statements, and moreso, his racism.

As far as the party is concerned, they knew where their bread was buttered and backed Rubio - the guy that fared the best in head-to-head matchups with Democrats throughout the cycle. Just as McCain and Romney did among the other major Republican candidates in the last two cycles.

Next time, things will shift back to which candidate can actually have the best chance of winning. They'll get the endorsements, favorable conservative press treatment and lots of money since Republicans will be damn hungry to get the White House back after twelve years on the outs. Everything will favor the Chosen Polling One.

And who knows, they might actually be sorta competitive in 2020. Imagine Clinton engaging in a bit of unpopular foreign involvement, hitting a slight recession and, mostly, being hamstrung by Republican obstructionism in the House. If they can point out that the economy finally sucks and that she can't get any significant legislation through Congress, there might be enough idiots willing to listen.
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- The GOP adopts a Ryan-style policy of trying to appease the two camps, which will ultimately fail (apart from local races) as demographic trends shift. The GOP then continues to lose popularity nation-wide, and America becomes Democratic-leaning for the foreseeable future. Democrats should be somewhat scared of this scenario, to be frank, as a vital opposition is important in any democracy.
This is what will happen although I think demographics and attitudes toward important policy issues play a much bigger part than GOP obstructionism and ongoing stupidity.

But one party rule isn't something to be afraid of because the primaries are where the real elections will take place, just as that's the case for most House and Senate seats currently in this country (and the Democratic Primary is effectively becoming the actual Presidential election as well).

And there will most certainly be a divide between the far left branch that can easily drum up a lot of motivated voters and those that take a more centrist, pro-corporate stance (like Clinton and Booker). That's really where the battle will become (essentially, big donors versus millions of small ones) and it will be a relief to be arguing over how best to implement policies from an economic standpoint rather than having to actually debate over these moronic social issues that should have been decided in the left's favor decades ago.
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[QUOTE=cobl04;8110417]I hear you. I'm seeing an awful lot of talk about Trump winning the debate, breathing new life into the campaign. Which I cannot remotely comprehend, he was borderline insane at times.

I would have liked to have seen Hillary really go the cunt, eviscerate him, the time for niceties is over. But having said that I'm sure that would been spun against her, the ravings of a "hysterical" woman.

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Hillary didn't knock him out of the race, which was a distinct possibility going into the debate.

So in that instance, yes. Trump won.

He didn't get any closer to winning the election, alas... he's still here. For now.
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As pointed out, it is best for Clinton that he has just barely been able to stay in the race - with polling surges coming at the right time and the bottom not dropping out completely lately. He's an easier win than going up against Pence with less baggage, but the bigger enjoyment out of it is knowing that Trump basically wasted all these extra months when some more bad polling could have had him drop out not long after the conventions.
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What may have happened (and as best I can summarize from what I've read and seen today) is the best possible thing for Hillary-- he wasn't so bad they the GOP could put a bullet in his brain, and he may have actually given euphoric voice to the nasty Breitbart folks who have wanted to yell "murderous c*nt" in Clinton's face since 1992 (the talk radio base).

What that does is:

1. Ensure he stays in the race, which ...
2. Lashes himself and thereby the GOP to the very Deplorables who loved his performance last night, thus giving us ...
3. A now discredited party at war with itself and now unacceptable to more than 60% of the country.
I get that, and maybe that's her strategy all along. But it is very, very frustrating to see a lot of reasonable people tweeting about Trump's big win. He was incoherent, offensive, "unpresidential", but most infuriating of all Hillary didn't turn the heat on him when he absolutely deserved it. Anderson made a great go of it at the start but by the 20-minute mark all previous indiscretions were forgotten and him and Hillary were on an equal footing.
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Oh my god, it's gold.
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I get that, and maybe that's her strategy all along. But it is very, very frustrating to see a lot of reasonable people tweeting about Trump's big win. He was incoherent, offensive, "unpresidential", but most infuriating of all Hillary didn't turn the heat on him when he absolutely deserved it. Anderson made a great go of it at the start but by the 20-minute mark all previous indiscretions were forgotten and him and Hillary were on an equal footing.


Who are these reasonable people?
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But again I ask, where would the big business wing fit into that? They're all about endless military spending, increasing the size and scope of the intelligence establishment, and choosing security over privacy. They're just as big-government as us progressives, just in very different ways. The small-staters that the party you're describing would appeal to, probably wouldn't like that stuff too much.

I would characterize the group you describe as "defense hawks", not really economic conservatives (which big businesses tend to be).

Republicans have been able to maintain a weird coalition between low tax/small state folks and the defense hawks, which is somewhat contradictory. I guess "small state" applies to social programs and not the military in their mind.


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Bear with me, but Piers Morgan (always admired his passionate anti-gun stance on CNN, although it seems he's given in and become a total shithead in recent times), Joe Scarborough (I'm assuming he's level-headed? I may be wrong), some media outlets like The Atlantic, The Ringer.
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Republicans have been able to maintain a weird coalition between low tax/small state folks and the defense hawks, which is somewhat contradictory. I guess "small state" applies to social programs and not the military in their mind.
Pretty much.

Course, even on the social issues it varies, depending on their personal beliefs on the issue at hand. Federal government regulating guns? Nope. Let the states handle that. Federal government deciding who can get married* or what a woman can do with her body, on the other hand? Yeah, that's totally cool.

*Mind, they soon moved to a "let the states decide" mindset on same-sex marriage, too, but still.
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Bear with me, but Piers Morgan (always admired his passionate anti-gun stance on CNN, although it seems he's given in and become a total shithead in recent times), Joe Scarborough (I'm assuming he's level-headed? I may be wrong), some media outlets like The Atlantic, The Ringer.

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