LuckyNumber7
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Probably.
Kaine interjected out of turn 52 times whereas Pence did it 19 times.
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Yes, in short, i think Pence won the day, but Kaine will win the week.
Oh and this was kind of glossed over last night...
but Bill is right, I have been crushed by surging premiums since the inception of Romneycare and then its bastard cousin Obamacare. My premiums have more than doubled in that time, I pay close to $20K out of pocket annually for health insurance under these wonderful plans, they gave insurance companies carte blanche to screw customers. No "Affordable" Health Care Act should have ever been passed without including regulations on premiums.
I think I've been very vocal on my opinion of the ACA. I just hope whoever wins the election bothers to fix this huge mistake in a way that doesn't take us too many steps backwards.
Yeah, that certainly seems to be the case. Lots of headlines today that go along the lines of "Pence wins debate by defending imaginary version of Donald Trump." Also several conservative commenters saying things along the lines of "I could vote for the Trump Pence described, I just can't vote for the one who actually exists."
CNN's undecided focus group went Kaine 18-3. Also, none of Pence's attacks on Clinton seemed to stick. His defense of the Trump Foundation was to say "every penny goes to charity" (when it clearly doesn't) and to call the Clinton Foundation a slush fund.
It's Trump's Mirror - any attack on an opponent is actually a reflection on Trump himself. As perfectly evidenced by Trump tweeting last night (and this is real): "Clinton's close ties to Putin deserve scrutiny"
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I think a lot of you are being overly optimistic about the media and the perception that Kaine will win the week with his one-liners.
Because I'm at home during the day, I have had CNN on when the baby is sleeping. The only thing they are showing over and over and over again in terms of clips of Kaine is his interrupting. Interrupting the moderator (who they emphasize is female) and interrupting Pence. Whatever zingers he did or didn't get in, believe me you'd have no idea from the coverage. They are also repeating the Mexican line by Pence all day so it's not like he's being glossed over. But the bottom line is I don't think the takeaway by Joe Shmoe who just sees some clips over the upcoming days (until Sunday when this will not be news at all anymore) will be what you are thinking it will be.
If you look at 538's model, they correct for polls that systematically show bias in either direction, so a LA Times/USC polls that shows a +4 for Trump ends up being coded, after the correction, as a tie (the same happens to polls that are historically pro-Clinton). These errors tend to be related to methodological choices on how to cut your sample, so they are not necessarily politically motivated.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/national-polls/
I think last night could be more harmful than some are giving credit.
Pence was able to get away without being challenged at all on his morally corrupt thinking in regards to basic civil rights. Most "average Joe's" will come away from that debate without even knowing just what a piece of shit the guy is.
Kaine, on the other hand, came off as the goofy putz that he often comes off as. It might be relatable one on one but in a setting like last night he looks really awkward.
Ultimately he didn't fully embarrass himself, so I don't think it'll do any harm to those who have already made up their minds. But anyone who's still undecided... which let's be honest are mostly middle class whites... could look at last night and go "well at least Trump has some stable people around him."
The flip side, of course, is that Pence doing well... and skipping past the Trump insults and not really defending any of them... has apparently ticked off his orange overlord, and god knows what that might lead ol' baby fingers to do... which could negate any minor bump Pence could have gotten them last night.
True progressives would have gotten the joke.Right, so the comedians like John Oliver that incessantly joked about the awkwardness of that interview are being offensive as well?
She had her trapped her in a room and then awkwardly starts singing a song to Clinton that would make anybody feel uneasy given its content and then proceeds to touch her. If that isn't weird (which is the opinion held by literally everybody), I don't know what is.
Keep grasping at straws. Build your safe space.
True progressives would have gotten the joke.
perfect.
but no, i wasn't joking. don't talk shit about mary j.
True progressives would have gotten the joke.
True progressives would have gotten the joke.