2016 US Presidential Election Thread XIII

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This happened a day or two ago, but shows the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Plus. rich privileged people are so thin-skinned:

When Gupta pressed Trump on her father’s lack of inclusion for men, asking about same-sex couples, Trump interrupts her to point out that the policy would work fine for two women married to each other. But what if two men are married and adopt a child? “The original intention of the plan is to help mothers in recovery in the immediate aftermath of childbirth,” Trump responded.

When Gupta asked Trump to talk about her father’s change of heart, pointing out that in 2004 he’d called pregnancy an inconvenience for businesses, she said:

I think that you have a lot of negativity in these questions, and I think my father has put forth a very comprehensive and really revolutionary plan to deal with a lot of issues. So I don't know how useful it is to spend too much time with you on this if you're going to make a comment like that.
For the rest of the interview, she’s combative: “You said he made those comments,” she says to Gupta. “I don't know that he said those comments.” When Gupta reiterates that, yes, Donald Trump said pregnancy was an inconvenience, Trump responds, “There's plenty of time for you to editorialize around this, but I think he put forth a really incredible plan.”

The toughest Ivanka Trump interview yet has come from Cosmo - Vox
 
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Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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The difference is that none of those quotes were a repeated tactic used to drum up fear and support.


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Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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Except what Biden and Reid said was not mean-spirited or hateful, nor was it intended to encourage people to voice to the ugliest parts of themselves.

And you don't agree with my assessment? I don't know how you can watch this video and not come away confident that these rallies are populated with racists, sexists, Islamophobes, and white power sympathizers.

Unfiltered Voices From Donald Trump's Crowds - Video - NYTimes.com

Everyone should watch that video in order to get a visceral idea of what these rallies seem to be about.
 
Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.


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While the Reid one is inexcusable (I don't like him at all), the Bill Clinton one isn't racist, and I think that's a great example of hypersensitivity.

Bill Clinton, former president and former governor, had been in power in high profile positions for almost 25 years. He was addressing Ted Kennedy, who had been in a high profile position for over 25 years, and overall in the senate since the late 60s. Not to mention... he was a Kennedy. And you had Barack Obama, who in 2007 was a junior senator and otherwise had previous history being a state senator. He had less than ten years in politics. How this comes off as racist, I don't know. It's very clearly a remark between two high level individuals on the inexperience of the competition.
 
How this comes off as racist, I don't know.

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Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

Did any of those people lead a years-long campaign claiming that Obama wasn't a legitimate president because, despite all evidence to the contrary, they claimed he wasn't born in the United States, and said they had the (never materialized) evidence to prove it?

Did any of them refuse to renounce the claim for years (despite the evidence clearly proving them wrong) and then only do so while shamelessly tricking the media into covering the opening of one of their new properties?

Did any of them claim to not know anything about white supremacy and refuse to renounce the support of well known and prominent white supremacists?

Did any of them (and their subordinates) pass around white supremacist memes during their campaigns?

Did any of their children go onto white supremacist talk radio shows to be interviewed?

Did any of them openly encourage physical violence at their campaign rallies?

Did any of them call for voting place intimidation watch groups?

Did any of them claim that if their opponent won that maybe the second amendment (wink wink, nudge nudge) could solve the issue?

Did any of them call for a nationwide ban on immigrants of one specific religion?

Did any of them call to create a national register of all members of one specific religion?

Did any of them making the openly racist claim that a US-born judge couldn't be impartial because he was Mexican and therefore was biased against Trump?

No? None of them did those things?

:|

To suggest that Donald Trump only says casually, maybe-it-is-maybe-it-isn't racist things like those guys said is to engage in a level of willful ignorance that is flat out dangerous. Donald Trump, through his (and his subordinates' and some of his supporters') words, actions and inaction, has encouraged and allowed white supremacists to gain a more prominent place in the Republican party and feel more comfortable espousing their despicable views in public, and it is a complete and utterly morally vacant failure of the Republican party that it has not been more forceful in rejecting that resurgence, and the man allowing it to happen.

I'm not saying that if you support Donald Trump you're automatically a racist and a bigot, but if you're aware of what he's said and encouraged and still support him, you certainly seem to be willing to accept far more racism and bigotry than should be acceptable in civilized society.
 
Did any of those people lead a years-long campaign claiming that Obama wasn't a legitimate president because, despite all evidence to the contrary, they claimed he wasn't born in the United States, and said they had the (never materialized) evidence to prove it?

Did any of them refuse to renounce the claim for years (despite the evidence clearly proving them wrong) and then only do so while shamelessly tricking the media into covering the opening of one of their new properties?

Did any of them claim to not know anything about white supremacy and refuse to renounce the support of well known and prominent white supremacists?

Did any of them (and their subordinates) pass around white supremacist memes during their campaigns?

Did any of their children go onto white supremacist talk radio shows to be interviewed?

Did any of them openly encourage physical violence at their campaign rallies?

Did any of them call for voting place intimidation watch groups?

Did any of them claim that if their opponent won that maybe the second amendment (wink wink, nudge nudge) could solve the issue?

Did any of them call for a nationwide ban on immigrants of one specific religion?

Did any of them call to create a national register of all members of one specific religion?

Did any of them making the openly racist claim that a US-born judge couldn't be impartial because he was Mexican and therefore was biased against Trump?

No? None of them did those things?

:|

To suggest that Donald Trump only says casually, maybe-it-is-maybe-it-isn't racist things like those guys said is to engage in a level of willful ignorance that is flat out dangerous. Donald Trump, through his (and his subordinates' and some of his supporters') words, actions and inaction, has encouraged and allowed white supremacists to gain a more prominent place in the Republican party and feel more comfortable espousing their despicable views in public, and it is a complete and utterly morally vacant failure of the Republican party that it has not been more forceful in rejecting that resurgence, and the man allowing it to happen.

I'm not saying that if you support Donald Trump you're automatically a racist and a bigot, but if you're aware of what he's said and encouraged and still support him, you certainly seem to be willing to accept far more racism and bigotry than should be acceptable in civilized society.

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Preach, brother!
 
Racism, eh?

In 2008 Bill Clinton was speaking to Ted Kennedy about Obama.

“A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags.”

Joe Biden 2007

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Harry Reid 2008

"Obama electable as a 'light-skinned’ African-American ‘with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.’”

As far as my Godwin's Law comment goes I was just pointing out the quick jump to Hitler. You have every right to compare a Trump rally to the 'Triumph of the Will' Nuremberg rally film. (Coincidently the kid drummer footage opens Zoo TV: Sydney). I disagree with your assessment.

In my recollection Hitler was a statist who ran his government with top down control over his populace. Some people are spooked by what they perceive as Trump's megalomaniacal unpredictability. From his positions he promises to cut burdensome regulations from the unofficial 4th branch of government, The Executive Federal Agencies. Doesn't sound like a dictatorial statist to me.

Sure, there was a Trump supporter who cold-cocked a protestor being escorted out of the arena. Thats a far cry from an organized Brown-Shirt army of Trumpsters that are going full Kristalnacht on Democratic Offices and Planned Parenthood centers.

If there is any modern equivalent of a Brown-Shirt outfit, look no further than the Soros funded protestors that roughed up Trump supporters in Chicago.

So if we were to, say, call those people racist, then you'd call Trump racist too?

Just wondering.
 
Interesting, every other poll has him between 1 and 6%, but Rasmussen always seems to find the honest ones ONLINE and willing to answer the phone :lol:


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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-adjusts-call-clinton-bodyguards-lose-guns-001102062--election.html



So much for all the recent talk of the people running his campaign promising a different, less volatile Trump.


Problem is, this message resonates with his base. They're the meme crowd, nuance is a French word; any regulation on guns = they're taking our guns. It's easy, and long lasting. So Hillary must be a hypocrite to be protected by guns, and it's ok to "joke" about the assassination of hypocritical bitches.


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Problem is, this message resonates with his base.

You mean a plurality of the country given recent polls. But yes, I agree, it resonates with them.

The horse race would have ended quickly had the Democrats provided a suitable candidate for liberals, but it looks like we'll either toss Jill Stein a bit of pity or just recycle the ballot. Y'all say you didn't need us, so enjoy a nailbiter.
 
You mean a plurality of the country given recent polls.
No, I mean common sense and the ability to comprehend everyday observations.

The horse race would have ended quickly had the Democrats provided a suitable candidate for liberals, but it looks like we'll either toss Jill Stein a bit of pity or just recycle the ballot. Y'all say you didn't need us, so enjoy a nailbiter.

This is an absolute non sequitur, this message would have resonated no matter who. Stop trying so hard.



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Of course it would have, but then Trump's lowly polling numbers (in the low 40s) wouldn't have been anywhere near enough for him to be in contention. After all, the third party polling tends to hurt Clinton by an extra point or two in her margin over Trump. That 3,000,000 or so that currently say they're voting for Stein would have dried up to almost zero had Bernie been the nominee. Not to mention the millions of others staying home because of the detestable options.

But, god forbid it happens and the orangutan becomes Commander In Chief - all of the Clinton primary voters owe everybody else an apology. Hell, you can argue that they owe everybody on the left one already. Even if she wins, it will lead to much weaker coattails for the rest of the Democrats to ride giving us a more Republican heavy Senate and House than if someone else had been the Democratic nominee.
 
I note the conspicuous lack of a rebuttal.


Got busy at work.

I feel that Hillary is incredibly dangerous to the country. That being said, you have very skillfully defended her to the point where I pointed out you'd make a great press secretary for her. You have been able to deflect attacks against her as Conspiracy or Hyperbole (Conspirbole). Don't have time for a rebuttal at the moment. But will get around to it. Initial thought is that you are using the term "White Supremacist" hot and loose, to your rhetorical credit.

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Hilary's not the one currently making "jokes" about how risky it could be if a presidential candidate didn't have armed guards around them. Just sayin'.


Not to mention:

tracking people of certain religions

not taking nuking Europe off the table

posting propaganda written by neo nazis

and who did he hire as his campaign manager?

When you can't recognize danger, you are amongst the most dangerous.


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Don't have time for a rebuttal at the moment. But will get around to it. Initial thought is that you are using the term "White Supremacist" hot and loose, to your rhetorical credit.

- O


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I look forward to your rebuttal, because so far you have not defended Trump against any of the charges laid against him.

As for being hot and loose with the term white supremacist, I have only used that term to describe people who fit its definition. I wish it wasn't the case.
 
RCP has a nice little module running from their aggregate polling -- no toss-up mapping.

They just take their current aggregate poll number and update each state as it updates.

Remember: aggregate polls do not accurately predict -- rather, each individual poll is an individual predictor. So, aggregate polling is second order, and these results merely depict trends as opposed to results.

Nonetheless, given the current trends (Trump surge), this should give you an idea of where the Republicans stand as of today, were these pills to come true.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ctions_electoral_college_map_no_toss_ups.html
 
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