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Old 09-17-2016, 01:28 AM   #151
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I think that map is pretty good, it has Trump at 245
but I think he wins North Carolina also, that's 15 more to put him at 260
Three somewhat small but competitive states are; Nevada, New Hampshire, Colorado if he wins any two of those states, which if there Is a late search he could,
Then he wins the whole thing

Of course if PA moved his way, it gets a lot easier, but I,m thinking that N C is more likely,

Also Trump only needs 269 to become President while Clinton needs 270.
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I feel that Hillary is incredibly dangerous to the country.


Oh PLEASE.

The most cautious politician ever is dangerous to the country? That's absolute nonsense and you know it. "Incredibly" dangerous? You can't believe that. She's not so far from mainstream conservative thought. She understands how government works. She's a defender of the status quo. She's reasonable and informed and hard working.

You can't in any serious way believe she's *dangerous* to the country, or the world.

You may prefer the politics of the maybe-billionaire Donald Trump. You may be a racist. You may not like her. But you cannot think in any way, shape, or form, that she's somehow a danger to life on earth as we know it.
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Incompetence is dangerous, W proved that
Hillary 2016 has proven to be incompetent.
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Incompetence is dangerous, W proved that
Hillary 2016 has proven to be incompetent.

Ok, let's play this game: So Trump has proven himself competent?


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I'm not counting on North Carolina, which means she basically can't lose any other states. Which is why that poll where Drumpf led in Colorado legitimately worried me, for the first time in the campaign, that he could win.

Also, if that map holds true, Hillary would be the first president since JFK to be elected without Ohio.

I'm an Ohioan and I will be humiliated if he wins the state, and I expect him to.
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Also Trump only needs 269 to become President while Clinton needs 270.
Forgot all about that. Certainly helps.

Don't you think there'd be at least one Republican in the House that views Trump as too dangerous and votes the other way, especially if Clinton won the popular vote? Very possible it would not be a slam dunk.
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Ok, let's play this game: So Trump has proven himself competent?
And that's exactly why this election is close. It always reverts back to Trump's awfulness and never to Clinton's positives. Contrasts are important and Democrats really dropped the ball.
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Forgot all about that. Certainly helps.

Don't you think there'd be at least one Republican in the House that views Trump as too dangerous and votes the other way, especially if Clinton won the popular vote? Very possible it would not be a slam dunk.
Each one of the 50 states get one vote I think, and the GOP control enough small states, he wins, easy.

it is kind of funny looking at the states
And the electoral votes there are a few ways he can hit 269

I kind of hope that happens, and the popular vote ???

The Brexit vote will look like kindergarten


And to think if they had good ol' Joe Biden, this truly would be over, just like 96 or 88, instead the elitists, gobalists put the fix in for crooked Hillary.
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Also, if that map holds true, Hillary would be the first president since JFK to be elected without Ohio.

I'm an Ohioan and I will be humiliated if he wins the state, and I expect him to.
We certainly don't want Ohio to lose its status as the state that always goes with the winner
and if Hillary cannot win Ohio with the most popular governor ever crapping all over trump,
does she really deserve to be president?
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And that's exactly why this election is close. It always reverts back to Trump's awfulness and never to Clinton's positives. Contrasts are important and Democrats really dropped the ball.

Man, you will drive 100 miles away to avoid the point won't you?!


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I think that map is pretty good, it has Trump at 245
but I think he wins North Carolina also, that's 15 more to put him at 260
Three somewhat small but competitive states are; Nevada, New Hampshire, Colorado if he wins any two of those states, which if there Is a late search he could,
Then he wins the whole thing

Of course if PA moved his way, it gets a lot easier, but I,m thinking that N C is more likely,

Also Trump only needs 269 to become President while Clinton needs 270.

Just, remember that the point of the "no tossup" map is to assume that current tossup states aren't tossups but instead are the average of today's going rate. I don't think Trump will win Florida, personally, but I could be wrong. But that's when this thing is a landslide... if he can't win Florida and Ohio both.
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So this is what it comes down to when you can't answer?

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Just, remember that the point of the "no tossup" map is to assume that current tossup states aren't tossups but instead are the average of today's going rate. I don't think Trump will win Florida, personally, but I could be wrong. But that's when this thing is a landslide... if he can't win Florida and Ohio both.

I do realize that you llve in Florida and have an opinion based upon that
but I just believe it's going to trend his way, like he did better in the primary then all of the predictions,

I still think Hillary probably wins but it's at maybe 280 - 285 which is at most one or two states, and that really is an embarrassing win, looking at the resumes, experience and where everybody said this would end up a year ago .

It speaks volumes about the quality and the character of the candidate.
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I do realize that Live in Florida and have an opinion based upon that

but I just believe it's going to trend his way, like he did better in the primary then all of the predictions,



I still think Hillary probably wins but it's at maybe 280 - 285 which is at most one or two states, and that really is an embarrassing win, looking at the resumes, experience and where everybody said this would end up our year ago .



It speaks volumes about the quality and the character of the candidate.

I don't live in Florida anymore. I live in England.

But Florida is classical for being whatever is cliche/most popular. Trump was most popular, so they showed up for him. So was Clinton.

1992 aside, where Perot stole the show from Bush, Florida has always mirrored the will of the nation. That's just how Floridians are. Politically uninformed, and politically careless. Why did Florida shift currently to Trump? Because that's what other places are doing. Florida responds to the national media, and almost never to the state or local affairs. Clinton got sick, and her numbers in Florida predictably fell.

So, if the election were legitimately today, yes, I believe those polls. But, otherwise, so long as Clinton maintains her popular lead, I'll say that's around the ultimate result you'll see in Florida.
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