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Old 05-19-2016, 07:08 PM   #916
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Trump leads with white women


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Does Trump have that 'whiter-than-white' Susan Sarandon yet ?
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Rendell has an interesting poll of his own.
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Does Trump have that 'whiter-than-white' Susan Sarandon yet ?


Only if evil Hillary -- destroyer of worlds, clubber of baby seals -- is the nominee.
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Rasmussen has trump up 5.

Inside the poll independents break 46-30 split in Trumps favor.

Trump is leading with men by 22

Trump leads with white women


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Right leaning Rasmussen, which has been found to be the least accurate since 2010 has recently reported a FOX NEWS poll that says Trump leads with white women.

Shock and awe

He also has 25% of the African American vote too, right?


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I really think Justin Trudeau would have had an excellent shot at the presidency if only Canadians weren't unfairly left out of the election process.
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So going by the polls shared on here.

Georgia

Bernie projects to beat Trump

But when Georgia voted, in an open primary;

Clinton won 71% of the vote. More than doubled Sanders in vote count

Now I don't expect Clinton to win Georgia in the General, but I think she's proven with the actual votes and primary wins that she is the best choice we have
The number of primary voters for one party is only a sliver of the general election count in any given state. Also, Georgia was roughly one of a dozen states that the Sanders campaign admitted to not even spending a dime in and I doubt Sanders even visited the area much if at all.
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Rendell has an interesting poll of his own.
Bill, and Ed, and Mrs. Weiner.....do not speak for THIS Clinton voter.

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Polling is a science and the numbers have spoken for themselves for months now while Clinton has had the worst favorability rating outside of Trump and Sanders has enjoyed the highest of anyone from the two major parties. People like the guy and a huge reason for the gap in how Sanders and Clinton fare in the polls involves the millions of non-Democrats that have supported Sanders this year. Sanders brings them in, Clinton draws them away.

And what is there to vet? Sanders has been an open, transparent and steady political figure for decades. If there was anything to really attack, Clinton would have exploited it (her 2008 run should tell you enough about that).

I love a good horse race as much as the next guy, but it's a shame that the Democrats had to give Donald Trump a nice window to win it all by nominating such a poor candidate. Clinton supporters just don't understand the importance of this election and it's a real shame.
(not on this thread to know if you r trolling or genuine, though I think sinceihave seensome if your posts and to a hink you r being genuine will answer accordingly)

I sure as hell KNOW how important this damn election is.

And yes I support Hillary. She's certainly not perfect. Still afraid Bernie will not defeat Trump. I like Sanders too, heard on Air America Radio - lunch w Bernie for several years. I consider myself a liberal-progressive.And an old school liberal: FDR, Elenor R, some of Theodore R" living wage proposals, Paul Wellstone, Ted Kennedy et all.

Bernie can be attacked as a socialist. Too many USA'ers don't know the distinctions between Democratic Socialism vs the more rigid, and even authoritarian types. Still too too many also still think Communism = Socialism.

And he's Jewish. Secular yes, but that usually doesn't make a difference for anti-jewish bigots.

I'll work seriously for either of them against Trump.

George McGovern was my first Presidential vote at 19 (was in the first group of 18 yr oldsto vote- it was local races not Federal elections in 1971. He lost 49 if not all 50 States!

And in 1968 (at 16) I refused to campaign for Humphrey (post Robert Kennedy's assasination) untilil a few weeks before Nov election...

...finally the more I heard about Nixon I that I better go volunteer! Humphreys Poll numbers started to go up in those last few weeks but not be nough in time ), probably because people like me thought Humphrey was too lackluster as a candidate, Lyndon Johnson's lapdog.
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I really think Justin Trudeau would have had an excellent shot at the presidency if only Canadians weren't unfairly left out of the election process.
They aren't left out...Ted Cruz gets to vote.

 
Fuck Ted Cruz
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Does Trump have that 'whiter-than-white' Susan Sarandon yet ?
And, oh yeah, the last time I looked (a second ago) my skin was/is white.

Susan S is privileged enough to go on about revolution or nothing...

... but poor people of any color, people of color, the disabled, LGBT folks survival is at stake in terms of sone basic rights, safety and safety net issues (deccent food, housing
, health care etc), ?99.8% of Muslims, maybe ecumenical religious people as well could be is serious trouble.

And Trump deciding the Supreme Court, and having the Nuclear Codes?


Some of the most surreal experiences was going through the Air Raid Siren drills during the Cold War in NYC! The sound beginning to rise from all the sirens into a wailing howl all around you. It as terrifying even as you were sort of "used to it"
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this is from 5/12/16, so it's a bit dated, but it should help us dispense with the notion that Bernie does better in open primaries:




Bernie does best in closed caucus states with large white populations.
Yes, but if you allowed the state of Vermont to vote in every primary and counted their votes twice, things would be different. Hater.
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Still too too many also still think Communism = Socialism.
That's not incorrect.
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/19/478705...ntent=20160519

Where are those principles now?


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Old 05-20-2016, 08:15 AM   #929
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That's not incorrect.

It's kinda funny - I often read Bernie Sanders' Dank Meme Stash on Facebook for the laughs, and occasionally I see people posting actually Marxist things, like Lenin quotes or "seize the means of production" type sayings. Once I even saw someone throw up a picture of Stalin with some alleged quote of his. It makes me chuckle, because I have to wonder if these people have actually looked at Sanders's platform. $15 minimum wage =/= "seize the means of production", regardless of the merits or lack thereof of either proposition.


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Sanders wants to shift things leftward...maybe make a $15 minimum wage part of the platform, and especially, an agreement to not enter the TPP or whathaveyou.

Meanwhile, rules changes. No more superdelegates. Open primaries in every state so that you can actually draw in millions who aren't Democrats into the process. After the success Sanders had running a far-left campaign, you can believe that someone running in 2024 will try and emulate that...and therefore we need to make sure that the party apparatus isn't doing everything in its power to block that, such as having hundreds of Super Delegates line up years in advance to support Clinton's VP for the nomination, etc. One person, one vote and anyone that wants to join in the process should be welcomed.

It's really not much to ask for and pretty much everything he's railed on about is something supported by a majority of the party's members. It's not much for Clinton to agree to and there's no real downside to doing so, but it's all up to her (along with the party to give enough voice to Sanders' supporters at the convention).

I understand what you're saying about adopting some things into the platform. But, I think that it's difficult in a way, because, by the time it's all said and done, Clinton will have over 3.5 million more votes. One of the reasons i voted for Clinton was because i feel her Minimum wage plan is much more well thought out, balanced and passable. Adopting Sanders ideas, would then negate the voice of the millions of more people that voted for her.

Superdelegate changes i think would be great. Maybe drop them to 5% of the total instead of 15%? something like that.
Open primaries are a horrible idea. It would actually have the opposite effect of bringing people into the party. The idea of a closed primary is to draw people into the PARTY. NOT let anyone vote for your parties nominee and just stay a republican or independent.

I think caucuses should be scrapped and they should all be closed primaries, BUT, make it so you can change to DEM, a week before voting or something.

I think now, to appease the most hardcore. She would have to have him as VP. Maybe Warren. that's about the only thing i can think.
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