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Old 05-18-2016, 09:58 PM   #841
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I'm becoming more and more sympathetic to Hillary simply because Sanders supporters are so annoying. I've had to unfollow someone on Twitter who I really liked... she was very big in the Black Lives Matter movement, was on the ground in Baltimore, but now just reposts Bernie memes and says she'd vote for Trump over Hillary. BEAL has a good point and you can see it in what Trump's been saying, he's wisely been very sympathetic to Bernie, which further drives his supporters' hatred for Hillary.

She must be having a big old laugh. Her only internal opposition is raging against the dying of the light and she is going to absolutely wipe the floor with Trump in November. I'd still vote for Jill Stein were I an American, but it's becoming somewhat more comforting to watch.
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I must admit I don't fully get the Putin thing. I thought that for a good chunk of the US right, Russia still remained "the enemy", or at least since the rise of Islamophobia and the War on Terror "an enemy", a country about which there remains a nagging suspicion. So this sudden willingness to accept Trump's fondness for Putin has surprised me.

And frankly I think some of the Clinton supporters in this thread are going a bit far. Sanders has every right to stay in the race as long as he wants.
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If Sanders stays pounding away on his soapbox through the convention, and God forbid, afterwards... resulting in enough damage to HRC that she loses the general?

Yea, one man can take the country until a deep hole of shit we haven't seen in a long long time.
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I'm becoming more and more sympathetic to Hillary simply because Sanders supporters are so annoying.
I've found Bernie supporters to be pretty irritating, but for me they still pale in comparison to my opinion of Hillary diehards who are on another level.

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I must admit I don't fully get the Putin thing. I thought that for a good chunk of the US right, Russia still remained "the enemy", or at least since the rise of Islamophobia and the War on Terror "an enemy", a country about which there remains a nagging suspicion. So this sudden willingness to accept Trump's fondness for Putin has surprised me.

And frankly I think some of the Clinton supporters in this thread are going a bit far. Sanders has every right to stay in the race as long as he wants.
I think there are some similarities re: Trump's supposed fondness for Putin and the right in European countries, for instance, Le Pen's NF and Orban's Fidesz. I'd go as far as to say that the European right wing is greatly sympathetic to Putin unless they are/have been engaged in historical conflict with Russia (Poland's PiS and the Ukrainian cluster of right wing/nationalist parties are as hostile to Russia as ever).

It may be worth suggesting that perhaps Trump's supposed fondness for Putin is a reaction to the Democrats'/mainstream Republicans' unconditional backing of the post-Maidan Ukrainian regime. But this is veering too far off topic I think.
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I must admit I don't fully get the Putin thing. I thought that for a good chunk of the US right, Russia still remained "the enemy", or at least since the rise of Islamophobia and the War on Terror "an enemy", a country about which there remains a nagging suspicion. So this sudden willingness to accept Trump's fondness for Putin has surprised me.
Exactly. This is what I meant with my earlier sentiments, but I don't think I made it as clear as you did .

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And frankly I think some of the Clinton supporters in this thread are going a bit far. Sanders has every right to stay in the race as long as he wants.
I also agree with this. Speaking in general terms, my frustration is geared towards some of the supporters for BOTH candidates right now. Like I've said before, regardless of which of the two candidates one supports, this election should be a freaking cakewalk for liberals/Democrats given the clown circus that the GOP is right now, and yet the behavior of some of the supporters that I've seen in the news and online and whatnot has me seriously worried that we'll blow it come November and basically hand Trump the presidency. There's way too much sniping and condescending attitude and stubbornness from some supporters of both Hilary and Bernie out there, and it really needs to stop. People can support and promote their candidate without acting like jerks about it, it's not that hard.
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And frankly I think some of the Clinton supporters in this thread are going a bit far. Sanders has every right to stay in the race as long as he wants.

Every right? Absolutely. But at what point do you look at the bigger picture? At what point do you step back and wonder if you're doing more harm than good?


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Oregoropa's posts are a great example of why the right have a crush on Putin. He admits to being giddy about his Trump endorsement in one post, but then uses Putin to attack Obama in another. Every logical person knows this is a hypocrisy, but they simple don't care. They firmly grasp tight onto old Cold War fears, but don't bother enough to really understand why. It's just another dog whistle. But on the other hand they love his fake machismo, remember Trump was once aligned with the WWE, they love this shit. Posturing will win over content any day of the week with this crowd, and Putin is great at it. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT CONTENT. Plus for a crowd that is so anti-gay they really seem to love his pecs, that picture of him on the horse is equivalent to Fabio on 90's erotic novels.


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If my posts implied or stated Trump:Sanders are Anarchists, that's not what I meant.

I meant their most feverish supporters. They would rather see the system come down if their guy can't win.

Yes, it's chaos, and to an anarchist they believe that is the only fair way to go.




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Oregoropa's posts are a great example of why the right have a crush on Putin. He admits to being giddy about his Trump endorsement in one post, but then uses Putin to attack Obama in another. Every logical person knows this is a hypocrisy, but they simple don't care. They firmly grasp tight onto old Cold War fears, but don't bother enough to really understand why. It's just another dog whistle. But on the other hand they love his fake machismo, remember Trump was once aligned with the WWE, they love this shit. Posturing will win over content any day of the week with this crowd, and Putin is great at it. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT CONTENT. Plus for a crowd that is so anti-gay they really seem to love his pecs, that picture of him on the horse is equivalent to Fabio on 90's erotic novels.


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It's the masculinity they love. In many ways Putin embodies that 'manly man' ideal that many conservatives love.

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If my posts implied or stated Trump:Sanders are Anarchists, that's not what I meant.

I meant their most feverish supporters. They would rather see the system come down if their guy can't win.

Yes, it's chaos, and to an anarchist they believe that is the only fair way to go.




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You still don't understand. Anarchists generally do not believe in electoral politics and in most cases reject it entirely. The idea that Sanders' and Trump's most diehard supporters are anarchists is silly, and just another attempt to somehow equate the two.

You need to read anarchist writings/literature/perspectives before you go frothing "CHAOS!!!1!!!11!" at the mouth.
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There hasn't been a single election where diehard supporters of losing candidates for the nominee haven't threatened to pack up their toys and go home, or side with the opposition. It wasn't a serious issue before and it isn't now. This thread needs to calm down. A third party run - now there's a problem. Sanders hanging about because he still has a mathematical possibility and wants to stop Clinton veering further centre, centre-right for as long as he can - that's legitimate and valid.

Very few people on the first Tuesday in November are going to go into the polling booth and think "gee a few Clinton fans were real dicks six months ago so I'm voting Trump to spite them".

(Note I haven't really backed a horse in this race yet because I have reservations about both, would support either against any Republican, and in the end don't need to make a decision thanks to about 14,000km of ocean.)
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I've been a big Bernie supporter since Day 1 but him and his supporters are really starting to piss me off. Threatening people and sending death threats is fucking awful, they're no better than Trump supporters at that point. Unlike some people on here, I really admire and respect Hillary and will be proud to cast my ballot for her this November, even though I voted for Bernie on Tuesday. A vote that isn't for Hillary is a vote for Trump.


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2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII

Why are we grouping like, the loudest cat in the room as "Bernie Sanders supporters?" Sanders supporters are pissing you off because some losers made some death threats... but they don't represent Sanders supporters. They're just some losers.

He seems to have disavowed those individuals.
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I've been a big Bernie supporter since Day 1 but him and his supporters are really starting to piss me off. Threatening people and sending death threats is fucking awful, they're no better than Trump supporters at that point. Unlike some people on here, I really admire and respect Hillary and will be proud to cast my ballot for her this November, even though I voted for Bernie on Tuesday. A vote that isn't for Hillary is a vote for Trump.


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Why are we grouping like, the loudest cat in the room as "Bernie Sanders supporters?" Sanders supporters are pissing you off because some losers made some death threats... but they don't represent Sanders supporters. They're just some losers.

He seems to have disavowed those individuals.


Obviously not all Sanders supporters are throwing chairs in Nevada.

But it stands to reason that, at this point in the campaign, when he mathematically cannot win, those remaining passionate about a candidacy that cannot happen are a bit more untethered and angry and, likely, awash in fist-in-the-air social media.

I don't think Bernie should get out. Yet. But if the report in the NYT from yesterday is to be believed, that he is willing to damage HRC in order to advance his own agenda and transform a party he was never a member of until last year, he IS helping Trump and he is putting himself before what's best for the country. I sincerely hope he's not taking the privileged whiter-than-white Susan Sarandon view that a Trump presidency would be "good" for the American left.

It's a delicate balance. Does he really want to promote his more leftist views? Or does he actually want to damage Mrs Clinton? One does not necessarily require the other.
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