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Old 05-18-2016, 09:03 AM   #811
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Sanders rolls in Oregon yesterday, loses by a half percent in Kentucky.



Mrs. Clinton beat Obama by over 30 percent in the '08 Kentucky primary.


You're right, it really is striking how much race played a factor in 2008, and still today.

One thing we've learned this election cycle, contrary to assertions that no opposition to Obama and his policies is ever racist (and that what's really going on is the labeling "racist" of his opposition, which is of course worse than actual racism just read the old Trayvon Martin threads), race really did help Mrs Clinton out when she went on her string of victories in 08 in states with large percentages of working class whites.

Of course nothing ever repeats the same, and the dynamics are different between Clinton v Sanders than they were Clinton v Obama, but those differences highlight what a miracle it is that we've elected an African American president. The old saying was true: you have to be twice as good.
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As this election wears on, we're going to see more world leaders expressing their concerns about Trump, and then Trump petulantly responding, as he has done with David Cameron and London mayor Sadiq Khan. That's going to give pause to a whole lot more of the people in power when they realize that Trump (btw, isn't he supposed to be acting presidential and boring now?) seems perfectly willing to erode relationships with our strongest allies because he can't help his mouth shooting off. How many world leaders is he going to challenge to IQ tests?
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How many world leaders is he going to challenge to IQ tests?
Just like his birth certificate debacle I'd like someone to take him up on it and embarrass him once again on the world stage.

Or better yet; make a bet, if Trump loses he has to drop out of the race. He's been hanging out with Palin and his voters too long if he thinks he's winning any IQ test.
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I'm starting to think because of Comrade Sanders, Trump will be our POTUS

It's starting to get nasty now between the leaders of the party and his campaign and supporters.

Violence, threats, and publishing phone numbers of leaders?? Guess we all thought Trump was a problem.

Gonna be ugly in Philly. All because one man can't accept the outcome, and has been pushing rhetoric towards violence.

Clinton is going to be so damaged after July. I don't really like her, but we need to get behind her because of Drumpf. My hope is that she's been so used to being attacked, she can handle it. Difference is, wasn't her own party.

Still hope by End of summer Dems start to realize the threat of the Donald and pull the lever for Clinton anyway


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It shows that no matter what; left or right, extremes can be dangerous. And if you have both extremes working in cahoots(willingly or unwillingly) the results can be catastrophic and very well might give us someone who won't take nuking an allie off the table.
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I don't think The Trump crowd gives a damn what world leaders think. Of course they enjoy Putin giving Trump some admiration. When it comes to liberal Europa, of course they will be skeptical of Trump. He just counter-punches when attacked. Sometimes it's tongue and cheek, but those silly nicknames worked against 16 opponents so far.


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I don't think The Trump crowd gives a damn what world leaders think.
But they should. THIS is one in their long lists of not understanding the consequences of their vote.

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WHY?! Do they not know who he is? Are they this ignorant?
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I don't think The Trump crowd gives a damn what world leaders think.
Ignorance is not a virtue. And of course Trump's base isn't going to care. But he certainly isn't going to win independents who see him destroying relationships before he even enters office.

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Sometimes it's tongue and cheek, but those silly nicknames worked against 16 opponents so far.
Again, I thought he was supposed to be all boring and presidential now? When is that going to kick in?
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WHY?! Do they not know who he is? Are they this ignorant?
Trump's most ardent supporters have always had a fondness for authoritarianism.
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To me, it seems like there's a hint of Anarchy in both camps, Trump and Sanders. It's a broken system, so instead of improve it (which they feel can't because it's rigged), it's best to just burn it down.
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When Trump becomes president, does he ban all political parties?
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To me, it seems like there's a hint of Anarchy in both camps, Trump and Sanders. It's a broken system, so instead of improve it (which they feel can't because it's rigged), it's best to just burn it down.
It does have that feel from the Sanders side.

He can't win. The ratios of which the cites would have to go in his favor are so extreme it's virtually impossible. Leicster City had better odds entering this season.

And it's not rigged. It's not the super delegates. It's every single possible way you could measure it.

But he's staying in till the convention. Why? It really seems like if he can't get his way he's rather just take the whole thing down with him.
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Whatever gets him to 270.

I'd rather have a leader stand up for himself than go around the world apologizing for America. You might say it shows humility but I say it shows weakness that the strongmen of the Globe can exploit. Putin knows Obama can run rough shot over Ukraine and Obama won't do jack. Obama backs off our own missile defense system to appease the Russians is basically a green light to Putin and Medvedev to toy with us. And the HRC gives them a symbolic reset button. Then they reset and take Crimea. Trump is more of a bulwark against international mischief just through force of personality. The left may shower love on a nuanced teachers lounge approach that Obama has brought to the table, but what has it gotten us. The rise of ISIS (by taking all our troops out of Iraq as a stabilizing force), the Ukranian fiasco, China turning the spratly islands into military bases in the South China Sea, Iran humiliating our sailors. There are no fear of repercussions with Obama.

Where are all the environmentalists protesting China destroying these reefs?

Trumps foreign policy is a withdrawal from neocon adventurism and rebuilding our military at home. The missile defense system is a no brainier. We don't have to escalate our Korean peninsula posturing if we can neutralize the missile threat. Nor do we have to risk WWIII by preemptively striking Iran with B-2 bombers or having Israel do it if we protect our allies with missile defense.


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Whatever that means, other than a tangle of sloganeering.
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It does have that feel from the Sanders side.

He can't win. The ratios of which the cites would have to go in his favor are so extreme it's virtually impossible. Leicster City had better odds entering this season.

And it's not rigged. It's not the super delegates. It's every single possible way you could measure it.

But he's staying in till the convention. Why? It really seems like if he can't get his way he's rather just take the whole thing down with him.
Yep. CNN released an article going over every possible scenario for Bernie, rule changes, no more super delegates.....and he still loses in every single scenario. Some of them are closer, but he loses.

I am hopeful after he loses in CA, that he wakes up and concedes. But my fear is that he's so far up his own ass about being some revolutionary hero, he'll end up taking down the country.
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Whatever gets him to 270.

I'd rather have a leader stand up for himself than go around the world apologizing for America. You might say it shows humility but I say it shows weakness that the strongmen of the Globe can exploit. Putin knows Obama can run rough shot over Ukraine and Obama won't do jack. Obama backs off our own missile defense system to appease the Russians is basically a green light to Putin and Medvedev to toy with us. And the HRC gives them a symbolic reset button. Then they reset and take Crimea. Trump is more of a bulwark against international mischief just through force of personality. The left may shower love on a nuanced teachers lounge approach that Obama has brought to the table, but what has it gotten us. The rise of ISIS (by taking all our troops out of Iraq as a stabilizing force), the Ukranian fiasco, China turning the spratly islands into military bases in the South China Sea, Iran humiliating our sailors. There are no fear of repercussions with Obama.

Where are all the environmentalists protesting China destroying these reefs?

Trumps foreign policy is a withdrawal from neocon adventurism and rebuilding our military at home. The missile defense system is a no brainier. We don't have to escalate our Korean peninsula posturing if we can neutralize the missile threat. Nor do we have to risk WWIII by preemptively striking Iran with B-2 bombers or having Israel do it if we protect our allies with missile defense.


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Everything you have listed, if Obama had acted differently, you would still find fault.

The war was a mistake, and all we heard is how we need to get out of the middle east (something you talk about getting us out of Korea), and so we did....and you find fault because another extremist group rose from the ashes.

Did the Obama administration take ISIS seriously enough? Probably not. Guess if W didn't topple two countries, we wouldn't have such instability either.

W also spent his 8 years trying to get a missile defense system in place. It was shit. Not saying shouldn't at least look into it, but it's not the end all solution to our military bases overseas.

Trump will start to fall in line with what the GOP wants in FP and the military. His shit talking about self finance, how he's not bought and paid for will change come the general election. He isn't going to spend all of his own $ to fund it, he'll have to take Super PAC money, and then he'll have to answer to those donors.

I just don't get how you can want someone who has NO law, NO military, and NO governance experience to try and run one of the most complicated countries in the world. Again, Anarchist.
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