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Old 05-15-2016, 09:57 PM   #751
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Speaking of absolutely terrible ideas, this is infinitely worse than a $15 minimum wage.



If you have a problem with supporting Sanders because you feel personally persecuted vis-a-vis your taxes going up then this would be a real doozy.


I didn't say it was a good idea or not. I simply said it was on the horizon.

That's quite a distortion of my thoughts on Sanders as well.
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Yes, like years ago... Automation will not take over human beings though. The service industry will realize customers will want human interaction, with automation will come new coding and maintenance jobs, so all is not lost, but yes we have to plan for it.


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When I'm given the option of a cashier vs self check out, self check out wins every time.

Sure I do too, but the elderly don't, the mother with 3 children in tow usually don't(in fact women in general use them less than men), and the disabled or temporarily disabled usually avoid them.


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Women use them just fine here in California, they use ATMS and drive cars, too.
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Women use them just fine here in California, they use ATMS and drive cars, too.

What does Trump have to say about that?




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Old 05-16-2016, 07:24 AM   #756
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When I'm given the option of a cashier vs self check out, self check out wins every time.
Maybe the machines where you are better but unless I have very few items I don't bother when doing groceries. Particularly when I have a lot of fruit/veg or other things you have to enter in manually. It takes forever. If I'm picking up 3-4 things, then for sure, self check out every time.

But you can't automate every job, much as we see futuristic movies about robots being nannies, etc.
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There's a 200+ year history of scares about automation wrecking the economy and creating astronomical inequality being bogus. I'm still hopeful that this is the case, and that things like investment in education are enough to handle the technological changes.

I really really hope that this isn't the start of a change in that pattern.


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I reckon the next 2 decades we'll actually have to work harder to keep up with all the extra information coming our way from automated processes.
Who knows what will be after that.

I don't see many reasons to be pessimistic.
While I believe machines will (at some point) be able to do 99.5% of the things humans are doing (including programming other machines and checking other machines), it will take a bit longer than some seem to think for the investments in these machines to be low enough to compete with human labour in a globalised society.
And even then humans will make sure they have a role in verifying 'the robots' are working as we intend them to.
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There's a 200+ year history of scares about automation wrecking the economy and creating astronomical inequality being bogus. I'm still hopeful that this is the case, and that things like investment in education are enough to handle the technological changes.

I really really hope that this isn't the start of a change in that pattern.
It seems to me that much of that historic paranoia was really the inevitable unrest when a new sector overtakes another. I'm sure that from the perspective of those on the land, industrialisation appeared to constitute a rapid loss of jobs and livelihoods, but it was really a labour (and geographic) transfer, with many of the new jobs not requiring a significant increase in skill - just a change.

Hopefully that's the case now too, and yes we want to believe we live in special times, but I suspect that in this regard there may be more legitimate reasons for pessimism today. A peasant 200 years ago could move to the city and gain employment on a factory floor; I'm not so sure many of today's poor are going to as easily make the shift, even with greater investment in education.

As for the cashier tangent, my observation in Melbourne is that the only people not using the self-check machines are old people, and they're going to die soon. Oh, and people who want to buy cigarettes. You still have to go to the counter for those.
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It's different now, and everything is fucked. Also, I don't use self-check machines and I'm not old, so there.
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I use self checkout all the time for groceries unless I'm buying alcohol which had to be bought from a cashier here in CA.

For food, I order by app or online quite a bit but if I'm in store then I prefer going to a person.

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I just go with whichever one's quicker and has less of a line, myself. If I've only got a small group of items, or the regular cashier lines are super long, I'll use self-checkout. If I've got a lot of stuff, to the point where I need a cart, I'll go to a cashier.
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I go with the cashier every time because I enjoy the interaction and occasional consultation I receive from them regarding my purchases.
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I go with the cashier every time because I enjoy the interaction and occasional consultation I receive from them regarding my purchases.
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I go to whichever aisle has the prettiest cashier.
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