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Old 05-10-2016, 05:07 PM   #631
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Nate Silver rips Trump-Clinton polls in 8-part Twitter rant - POLITICO
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Old 05-10-2016, 05:39 PM   #633
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It's just too early, but media focus is on right now....and then now....and then now.

Trump is an idiot. He's made his money, but do you REALLY feel comfortable with him handling extremely classified information?

I get he's an outsider, but what scares me the most is his lack of knowledge in any form of governance. He can say the most racist, sexist shit ever....that's all it is.

My fear is him near any sort of button to launch war/bombs
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He's made his money, but do you REALLY feel comfortable with him handling extremely classified information?
We're free to question that of Trump.

But Mrs. Clinton really doesn't have a leg to stand on there.
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Nate Silver 2016 is an idiot
been off or wrong all season.
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We're free to question that of Trump.



But Mrs. Clinton really doesn't have a leg to stand on there.

Because she did what every SOS has done since the use of email?

Chase the white rabbit, chase it, chase it... Oh, you almost got it, you're gonna have to be quicker than that.


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Hillary is a known quantity
crook-ed, everybody knows it, they only argue the degree
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I get he's an outsider, but what scares me the most is his lack of knowledge in any form of governance. He can say the most racist, sexist shit ever....that's all it is.
Same. And the type of voter base he's stirred up has me deeply concerned, too. Even if people think his whole thing is an act, even if they're certain he won't follow through with most of what he says he will...he's riled up a portion of the country who genuinely thinks the things he says and suggests are GOOD ideas, and things that should happen in this country. And that frightens me deeply.
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It is an act, and possibly a joke that has gone too far. But Trump's ego is gonna take this the whole way.

He has no law experience, no governing experience. He's a businessman, and it could be argued if he's a good/bad one. He definitely had a head-start with his family name.

He would be an absolute disaster.

And honestly any attacks on Hillary as "crooked", or her email scandal is just tiring. I fully admit I don't find her a likable person. Perception is that she seems very hawkish, a GOP light. I have no issue attacking her policies. But I lose all interest when the conversation turns to "THE MOST CROOKED POLITICIAN OF THEM ALL!!!", "MOST DISHONEST OF ALL TIME!!!", etc

I actually feel for her a bit, considering she (and Bill) have been attacked by the Right for nearly 30 years straight (and now the attacks seem to come from the Left). Yet all these scandals, all these problems brought up by the GOP have amounted to nothing. Either they have the greatest lawyers in the history of law, or there was never real evidence against them.

You see these other scandals against candidates (both Right and Left) end their careers, or they drop out of the spotlight for a while. Never happened with Clinton. Still going strong. That's one heck of a power she's got, or it's just complete bullshit.

Let's see what else the Right tries to throw at her after June.
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Hillary is a known quantity
crook-ed, everybody knows it, they only argue the degree

So is Trump?! Have you not been paying attention?

He's a lying, loose cannon, who's crooked as fuck.

How can anyone pretend he's not a known quantity? Has he taken you all down the same wormhole?


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Perception is that she seems very hawkish, a GOP light. I have no issue attacking her policies. But I lose all interest when the conversation turns to "THE MOST CROOKED POLITICIAN OF THEM ALL!!!", "MOST DISHONEST OF ALL TIME!!!", etc
YES. Completely agreed with this.

And I have to laugh at anyone who claims they won't vote for Hilary because she's dishonest and crooked and then turns right around and votes for Trump. Sort of like when I hear Republicans complain so much about Obama being more of a celebrity than a politician...and all the while their party still fawns over Reagan (a Hollywood actor), had Schwartzenegger as governor of California, and now has Trump and his three-ring celebrity circus in their ranks. Just hard to take their complaints all that seriously at that point.
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Fact checkers confirm Hillary Clinton is more honest than any of her 2016 opponents

tl;dr version

Politifact's assessment of truthfulness of 2016 presidential candidates:

Hillary Clinton: 72%
Bernie Sanders: 70%
Ted Cruz: 35%
Donald Trump: 23%
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I agree that it's not good for politicking in the general election, I just objected to it being characterized as a "stupid phrase." For this particular purpose, yes. In general, no.
We agree then
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Fact checkers confirm Hillary Clinton is more honest than any of her 2016 opponents

tl;dr version

Politifact's assessment of truthfulness of 2016 presidential candidates:

Hillary Clinton: 72%
Bernie Sanders: 70%
Ted Cruz: 35%
Donald Trump: 23%

In fairness, being crooked isn't the same thing as being a liar.
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