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Old 05-06-2016, 08:54 PM   #571
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Just like Hillary Clinton's Mariachi Band yesterday, right?
And people here have made note of that fact and her embarrassing attempts at pandering and making questionable comments about certain groups of people and whatnot plenty of times. You have noticed the many criticisms of Hilary and her campaign coming from those of us on the left here, haven't you?

Meanwhile, people on the right (speaking in a general sense here) tend to deny the fact that the politicians in their party are heavily racist/sexist/homophobic, or they excuse or justify it somehow ("Look at the PC police being all critical again!").

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I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that there are sections of minorities who are fairly reactionary/conservative to the point that they'd be happy to support Trump. It does not clear Trump himself of any racism by any stretch.
...this is the point that's trying to be made here. Trump isn't suddenly a good guy because he happens to have a few minorities at his rallies.

There's also the whole issue of people voting against their own self-interests to consider as well.
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I present Queen Pandera. Quite a chameleon when she needs to be.

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Oh I have plenty more pictures.





African-American Pastors endorsing Trump in Virginia










You're kinda missing the point, well more than kinda...

He said and did the things he did to purposely put out the right dog whistles. The grand wizard also endorsed him, and endorsements only matter to sheep.

You can't hide what has been said and done behind some photo ops. Plain and simple.


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You realize she was quoting someone right? And at least she could pronounce the book of the Bible correctly


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There's also the whole issue of people voting against their own self-interests to consider as well.
Are you suggesting people of any color or creed don't have the free will to choose for themselves, because somebody else know what's best for them?
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Imagine the uproar if a Republican tried that dialect
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Imagine the uproar if a Republican tried that dialect

Um, maybe, I think it would depend on the context and the republican.


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"Self-absorbed opportunist."

Likely......but rare among politicians, right?
Ha, like a job prerequisite.

Which is why I've always said that the best and brightest would never bother going into politics.
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Are you suggesting people of any color or creed don't have the free will to choose for themselves, because somebody else know what's best for them?
Never said or implied such a thing, please do not put words in my mouth.

But if, say, a politician claims they'll help the working class and poor, despite voting for legislation that continues to support their rich buddies, and working class/poor people know that and still vote for that politician anyway, I'd probably be scratching my head a little, yeah. Just like I'd also wonder how a gay person could vote for a politician who didn't support gay rights, or a woman could vote for a politician who believed a woman's place was in the home, or whatever.

People can vote however they want and for whomever they want, obviously, and they may have multiple reasons for doing so. But that doesn't mean some of their reasons for voting for certain politicians won't be, at the very least, confusing to some people. That's my point.
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Um, maybe, I think it would depend on the context and the republican.


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Point taken. If after a post debate KO of Hillary, Trump wants to do his best Ali "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" I think that would be a good context.
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Point taken. If after a post debate KO of Hillary, Trump wants to do his best Ali "Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" I think that would be a good context.

Except Trump doesn't know who Ali is, he doesn't know of any Muslim sports heroes.


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Except Trump doesn't know who Ali is, he doesn't know of any Muslim sports heroes.


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Trump - "Oh him and Cassius Clay are the same person"

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The mayor of London would not be allowed into the United States under a president Trump
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The mayor of London would not be allowed into the United States under a president Trump

A day ago you'd be referring to the guy who called Obama "incoherent" and with a "part Kenyan" "ancestral dislike for the British Empire."

Trump would love for Boris Johnson to come to the United States.
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