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Old 04-25-2016, 10:06 AM   #16
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Kasich and Cruz have formed a Coalition of the Willing to stop Trump from getting a majority of delegates. It appears that Kasich will get out of Cruz's way in Indiana, while the opposite will be true in Oregon and New Mexico.

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That's pretty sad.

Neither one deserves to be the nominee if they have to resort to that kind of nonsense rather than just get enough people to support them.
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Old 04-25-2016, 11:38 AM   #18
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VIII

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That's pretty sad.

Neither one deserves to be the nominee if they have to resort to that kind of nonsense rather than just get enough people to support them.

Why is it sad? It's to counter the fact that Trump was able to get an obscene number of delegates from winning small pluralities in winner-take-all states. Trump whines about the rules, but if the rules were fair (proportional allocation, like the Democrats use), he'd have no shot at a majority of the delegates.


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I don't think it's sad, I think it's just strategy on Cruz/Kasich to get to a contested convention. Kasich should have dropped out a long time ago, but he knows he's still got a great chance to be picked as he's more of the Bush/Romney type. Big issue with him is, not much is really known about him, so if he does get into the spotlight, can he hold up?

And the GOP doing this pretty much promises a Trump 3rd Party run, which concedes the election to the Dems.
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just for some fun.

What do you guys think would be the outcome of a 4 way race. If Trump got screwed and he went third party, and because of that, Bernie saw an opportunity and went 4th party...
What do you think would happen?

Clinton, Sander, Trump, Cruz or Kasich...

I think no chance for Cruz or Kasich, but the other 3 would be incredibly close.

Clinton would have women and minority backing, plus some liberal Repubs that won't vote Trump.

Sanders would get youth vote, and would split indys with Trump.

Hard to say. thoughts?
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just for some fun.

What do you guys think would be the outcome of a 4 way race. If Trump got screwed and he went third party, and because of that, Bernie saw an opportunity and went 4th party...
What do you think would happen?

Clinton, Sander, Trump, Cruz or Kasich...

I think no chance for Cruz or Kasich, but the other 3 would be incredibly close.

Clinton would have women and minority backing, plus some liberal Repubs that won't vote Trump.

Sanders would get youth vote, and would split indys with Trump.

Hard to say. thoughts?
If it were a 4 way popular vote it might be close... but in an electoral college setup, Hillary would dominate. Cruz might actually finish second, as they Republican States where Tump does best are largely Blue States in the general. If it were Kasich, the opposite may be true... where Trump finishes second but still can't grab enough to challenge Hillary.

Sanders might pick up a few states in New England but that's about it.

The only question would be whether or not the other three candidates can steal enough States from Hillary to keep her short of the magic number.
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If it were a 4 way popular vote it might be close... but in an electoral college setup, Hillary would dominate. Cruz might actually finish second, as they Republican States where Tump does best are largely Blue States in the general. If it were Kasich, the opposite may be true... where Trump finishes second but still can't grab enough to challenge Hillary.

Sanders might pick up a few states in New England but that's about it.

The only question would be whether or not the other three candidates can steal enough States from Hillary to keep her short of the magic number.
I tend to think you are right, considering the electoral college process.

But I still think there would be some really interesting state outcomes. Just think of state like Georgia where Clinton crushed it, especially with minorities, but yet it's still a red state, but yet it is shifting and has a strong young demo. With a really broken up pool of votes, it could get interesting...

Even California. Nearly tied for HRC and Sanders, and Trump is way up. Could be a wild card. Florida? Both Clinton and Trump dominate, but with votes being taken away on both sides, it makes for a much more unsure race.

Can't deny that i hope we someday to get to a system like this. Although, I'm sure if we did, there would be whole new set of problems and complaints that would arise. It's always gonna suck.
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I think a 4-way the GOPestablishment ticket is DOA. Trump has a core support that won't sway. With the Bernie-Clinton split mirroring the Democrat primary, they would be very vulnerable in ceding those states to Trump. I can easily see Trump getting above 300 electoral votes.

A Ryan/Kasich ticket wins only Wisconsin, Ohio, Utah

Clinton wins Mass, RI, NY, Maryland, Illinois, California, New Mexico, Delaware, DC

Bernie wins Vermont, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii

Trump takes everything else. NJ and CT in a squeaker.

Don't underestimate the devastation caused by a split of HRC - Bernie wings of the party. The establishment really does not want Cruz so my hypothetical takes him out of contention. An anointed ticket created out of thin air may only attract 25-30% of GOP inclined voters. Bernie Hillary fracture is closer to 50-50 nationally. Trump has independent crossover appeal in states like PA and MI.


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Trump can't get over 40% in his own damn party... how on earth will he ever get enough votes in a general to take enough states to get over 300?
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Trump can't get over 40% in his own damn party... how on earth will he ever get enough votes in a general to take enough states to get over 300?
Exactly. The only Hilary needs to do is to make sure there are no missteps. Basically, no "48% of America" blunders like Romney had.

Also, what has been lost in the last 6 months is Trump's character. He's done a great job of diverting the subject away from it so far but when the national spotlight is at its peak come late summer and fall, I think enough will come out to make a lot of undecided voters to stay the heck away.
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that's nothing compared to Clinton

the most corrupt, dishonest, murderous, Wall St shill that's ever.....EVER LIVED!!!!

or that's what i've seen on FB
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that's nothing compared to Clinton

the most corrupt, dishonest, murderous, Wall St shill that's ever.....EVER LIVED!!!!

or that's what i've seen on FB
Now there's a big Facebook movement by Bernie fans to not vote for Hilary and write Bernie in instead. I'm hoping that they all come to the realization come November that a write in vote for Bernie is essentially a vote for Trump.
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Yep, been seeing that for months. Either write in Bernie, or Jill Stein

Even go as far to say they would rather see the country burn under Trump, than give up their values and vote for Hillary

Not selfish at all
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How is that different than the PUMA movement in '08? Come November, if Trump or Cruz is the Republican nominee, they will vote Clinton.
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You never know with the youth vote.

but yeah, once the dust settles after primary season, the thought, and REAL possibility of a Trump or Cruz Presidency will make people move to Clinton
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