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Old 05-02-2016, 12:34 PM   #256
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my game is ro-sham-bo. i always win because i always go first as reigning champion.
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So.....

Sounds like Bernie wants to fight all the way to the convention. He wants a fair allocation/representation of the delegates. That despite larger victories, he's still only walked away with a handful more delegates than Hillary, and he feels this is unfair and should be contested at the convention.

I guess I can kind of see his point, but as others have stated on here, much better than I have, when it's come to a "big/critical" primary state, he's been crushed. Only state he surprised in was Michigan.

Otherwise he's lost every other swing state by a large margin. I think a lot of the delegates see this, and it's one reason why they stand behind Clinton. Not out of some conspiracy/establishment theory, but out of the best chance to win the election.

Interesting to watch and see if this does play out
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So.....

Sounds like Bernie wants to fight all the way to the convention. He wants a fair allocation/representation of the delegates. That despite larger victories, he's still only walked away with a handful more delegates than Hillary, and he feels this is unfair and should be contested at the convention.

I guess I can kind of see his point, but as others have stated on here, much better than I have, when it's come to a "big/critical" primary state, he's been crushed.
What is he smoking?
He hasn't walked away with more delegates than Hillary. And what is a fair allocation of the delegates? If the whole Democratic primary was proportional voting (instead of some weird caucuses or staged allocation of delegates) then he would be behind even further. At least, that's according to the math of this 538-article.
Clinton’s Delegate Lead Would Triple Under GOP Rules | FiveThirtyEight
(Let's ignore the outcome if the Democrats had used the Republican allocation rules )
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Primary results have nothing to do with the "best chance at winning an election"...the general election polls would at least be a hint as to what could happen and Sanders is favored over Clinton by a mile against Republican opponents.

Honestly, peddling the illogical notion that primary support translates to the general election quality of a candidate would mean that Trump is the strongest GOP candidate imaginable this cycle. He has earned just over 10,000,000 votes. Romney almost earned 61,000,000 in the general election. In other words, there's 51,000,000 people left in his own party that he would need to sway to his side to just match Romney's five million vote loss.

It would be interesting to go back and adjust all of the states that already voted based on Sanders' current nationwide support in polling. Makes you wonder if he could have done it with an extra month or two to ramp up his name recognition. Mathematically, there's clearly people that already voted Clinton and have switched sides or didn't bother to vote at all and ended up supporting Sanders after he'd gone through their states.

Based on early voting patterns in the past, I'd say at least 1-2 million votes cast for Clinton have been from people who never even had the chance to hear about Sanders until it was too late and they'd already submitted their vote-by-mail ballots. Sanders would often start showing up in states a week before the "day of voting" yet plenty of those states had already been allowing people to mail in their ballots for weeks. This would also help explain part of the reason why he did so well in caucus states as nobody can actually vote early in them. You can't say those voters "chose" Clinton when they merely checked a box before there was even a debate in their minds about the two candidates. To these people (likely older voters since they prefer to vote-by-mail and wouldn't be on the internet to hear about Sanders 24/7), Bernie was merely just some no name candidate in an election that was preordained for Clinton. They had no idea that a competitive race was being run, and even if they did, they knew next to nothing about Sanders as he hadn't made any in state appearances or advertisements until weeks after they had submitted their ballots.

Case in point? The friggin' nationwide polling between Clinton and Sanders. Had Sanders been able to have that level of support from the start, he probably would have won this thing due to extra dedicated followers and absolutely crushing Clinton in caucus states.

This article basically explains it all...2/3 of voters in Florida had basically made up their minds before the primaries had even really got out of Iowa...no Sanders appearances or ads yet whatsoever.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-a...b_9567212.html
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in this four person race to become the nominee of major parties

who is the most legitimate presumed nominee? the person that has won the highest percentage of delagates in primaries??

Delegates (2,382 Needed to Win)
Hillary- 1645 - 69% of needed to win
Bernie - 1318 - 55% of needed to win

Delegates (1,237 Needed to Win)
Trump-996 - 81% of needed to win
Cruz-565 - 45 % of needed to win


at least with the GOP we have legit delagates won counting to the nomination.
in the Democrats race, Bernie is not that far behind, but with the phony super delegates added in, one would thing he has not been competitive and Hillary is slaying it. She clearly is not, and praising her while denigrating Bernie and his supporters as not having a chance when they have done incredible with the money, insiders, power brokers, corporations all aligned against them is a huge story.
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my game is ro-sham-bo. i always win because i always go first as reigning champion.
But I'm putting my money on Iron Balls McGinty in your title defense next Saturday.

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Delegates (1,237 Needed to Win)
Trump-996 - 81% of needed to win
Cruz-565 - 45 % of needed to win
Well when it's Mussolini vs Satan, of course Mussolini get the higher percentage.

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She clearly is not, and praising her while denigrating Bernie and his supporters as not having a chance when they have done incredible with the money, insiders, power brokers, corporations all aligned against them is a huge story.
Yes he has. I'm not sure anyone is denying that.
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Carly falls for Cruz or was she pulled down into hell by the Lucifer

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Old 05-02-2016, 04:49 PM   #266
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in this four person race to become the nominee of major parties

who is the most legitimate presumed nominee? the person that has won the highest percentage of delagates in primaries??

Delegates (2,382 Needed to Win)
Hillary- 1645 - 69% of needed to win
Bernie - 1318 - 55% of needed to win

Delegates (1,237 Needed to Win)
Trump-996 - 81% of needed to win
Cruz-565 - 45 % of needed to win


at least with the GOP we have legit delagates won counting to the nomination.
in the Democrats race, Bernie is not that far behind, but with the phony super delegates added in, one would thing he has not been competitive and Hillary is slaying it. She clearly is not, and praising her while denigrating Bernie and his supporters as not having a chance when they have done incredible with the money, insiders, power brokers, corporations all aligned against them is a huge story.
IMO, the only reason this race has been "close" is because Hillary has allowed it to be. She has been extremely civil towards Bernie, more so than I think she was with Obama.

She has taken a higher road with the politics, where can you imagine what Trump would do with Bernie? There's been no socialism/communism scare tactics from Hillary. No mentioning his voting record in the senate. No real personal smear tactics against him.

Why? Because she NEEDS some of his supporters come the general election.

While I'm not that thrilled with Hillary, she is the candidate I'm going to vote for. I started out well behind Bernie, because I would like to see a broader social program implemented into the US. He does talk about the issues I care about (and Hillary can too), but the more research, the more I learned about Bernie.....I consider him a bit of a fraud. He has shown no record of implementing his ideas in congress, and no sign of a compromise to try and maybe get SOMETHING of his passed. I get the impression he's more of a lone wolf, and always wanting to be against the establishment...

So yeah, he's had a good run. He's brought up issues that normally wouldn't really see the light of day. He's also created a fandom that is one of the most annoying in recent memory, and has attacked the party that allowed him his platform.

It's like watching a non racist Trump
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Also, the hits the right would slam Bernie with won't work in a Dem primary with an increasingly liberal base. Her hits on Bernie have been very, very careful so they don't backfire.

In the general election, I think he'd be in real trouble.

Also, caucus victories seem to be the worst possible indicator of general election success.
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Also, caucus victories seem to be the worst possible indicator of general election success.
Didn't Obama beat Hillary on the backs of caucus victories and then (obviously) did incredibly well in the general?
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Bernie wants a say in the party platform. A decent speaking slot. He feels he owes it to his legion of followers. He shouldn't leave because of 3 letters . . . F-B-I
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