2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VII

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I'm not Libertarian. But they're better than the rest right now.


You do realize that your posts don't fade with time, right? Why deny your Trump support or your libertarian claims? They are very easily able to look up. Are facts this incomprehensible to you?


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Is that a death threat? Why do discriminate against an entire generation. You are a generationphobe. This has triggered my safe space.
You can't be effective at parodying something unless you actually understand it, which you don't. (Which is, as an aside, why right wing comedy never works, because they don't actually understand the issues they're talking about.)
 
You can't be effective at parodying something unless you actually understand it, which you don't. (Which is, as an aside, why right wing comedy never works, because they don't actually understand the issues they're talking about.)

This sort of parodying always falls flat because these 2edgy4u libertarian types are never interested in trying to fully understand the people they're trying to mock, so all it becomes is a 'wall of sound' of 'ARE U TRIGGERED' 'SAFE SPACES HAHAHAHA' [random South Park screenshot].
 
What the hell happened in this thread?

Regardless, I'm very pleased with the Democratic voters of New York, and somewhat freaked out by the Republican voters of New York.
 
I'm not Libertarian. But they're better than the rest right now.


Didn't you at some point describe yourself as a libertarian with conservative social views?

To which I know I scoffed.

Anyways. Libertarianism isn't terrible. But those who call themselves libertarians in this country generally are unfavorable politicians in my books. And generally don't support the classical liberalism that I like.
 
Libertarianism is theoretically okay, but kinda terrible in practice. even some widely accepted theories like Nash's equilibrium doesn't occur in real life as people can't behave like game players in game theories.
 
Didn't you at some point describe yourself as a libertarian with conservative social views?

To which I know I scoffed.

Anyways. Libertarianism isn't terrible. But those who call themselves libertarians in this country generally are unfavorable politicians in my books. And generally don't support the classical liberalism that I like.


A libertarian with socially conservative views is as much a libertarian as Bernie Sanders, who is after all no more than a libertarian with economically liberal views.


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Libertarianism is theoretically okay, but kinda terrible in practice. even some widely accepted theories like Nash's equilibrium doesn't occur in real life as people can't behave like game players in game theories.


Oh, no, this is absolutely not true. Nash Equilibria are all over the damn place. And their existence implies absolutely nothing about any economic view. They are tools of analysis.


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A libertarian with socially conservative views is as much a libertarian as Bernie Sanders, who is after all no more than a libertarian with economically liberal views.


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Which would be why I scoffed. The very essence of being a libertarian is containing both elements of being liberal in the hands off fashion. Don't control what an individual is allowed to do.

Though, I would argue that a libertarian is more likely to be "economically left" than "socially conservative." I know we've had this very discussion before. I see libertarianism as accepting of some forms of institution. Example: infrastructure. Social policies aren't up for debate, though... because the purpose of being a freaking libertarian is to move power to the people. It's about individualism. Being part-libertarian isn't really a thing.
 
A libertarian with socially conservative views is as much a libertarian as Bernie Sanders, who is after all no more than a libertarian with economically liberal views.


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Precisely why I don't claim to be a Libertarian. I have stated I have Libertarian leanings on many issues, but I'm not a pure Libertarian, which is why I don't identify as one. It would be false for me to identify that way. In fact, identity politics is killing this country.
I think the Federal Gov't. should do 2 things: military and building roads.
Leave nearly all other issues to the states.
 
Which would be why I scoffed. The very essence of being a libertarian is containing both elements of being liberal in the hands off fashion. Don't control what an individual is allowed to do.



Though, I would argue that a libertarian is more likely to be "economically left" than "socially conservative." I know we've had this very discussion before. I see libertarianism as accepting of some forms of institution. Example: infrastructure. Social policies aren't up for debate, though... because the purpose of being a freaking libertarian is to move power to the people. It's about individualism. Being part-libertarian isn't really a thing.



I'm not an individualist, which is why I'm not a Libertarian. I'm more of a statist. Leave social issues to the states. Not mentioned in the constitution, defer it to the 10th Amendment.
 
Didn't you at some point describe yourself as a libertarian with conservative social views?

To which I know I scoffed.

Anyways. Libertarianism isn't terrible. But those who call themselves libertarians in this country generally are unfavorable politicians in my books. And generally don't support the classical liberalism that I like.



Again, I agree. Which is exactly why I am rejecting the notion I am libertarian. Many conservatives claim to be Libertarian and they're not. Heck, many conservatives claim to be conservatives and they're not.
All irrelevant titles that we bestow upon ourselves so we can identify with certain people to create an opposition.
 
Are you aiming for the blaze of glory approach to ending your forum stay? Keep up this ridiculous tirade and I'll happily oblige.



Haha. You offer a view contrary to the MODS, so they threaten to ban you. Wonder why your website is dying?
 
I'm not an individualist, which is why I'm not a Libertarian. I'm more of a statist. Leave social issues to the states. Not mentioned in the constitution, defer it to the 10th Amendment.


But the same people who adhere to this are ALWAYS the same people who complain about social issues anyway. Case in point you using the incredibly annoying pejorative 'SJW'. If you're a 'statist' then why do people campaigning for various forms of social justice annoy you? Who cares? Let them do them.

"Leave it to the individual states" has always seemed to me to be code for "let's ignore the problems of the underprivileged".

For a Sufjan fan you're being a bit of a dick
 
Let's not beat around the bush here. Although libertarians tend to support positive social legislation, as a political ideology it is farcical, peddling an economic standpoint that can best be described as reckless and dangerous. It is impossible to take seriously.
 
I'm fucking fine with libertarianism if it is SUCCESSFUL for once. look at Gilded age. Look at 1920s. it didn't end up so well, as you will see and the regulations ultimately saved the issues. whatever FDR did stabilized the financial market so much and saved US economy. that's why 50s was amazing time.

that's why I advocate democratic socialism like whatever Bernie or Scandinavian countries are implementing. 'cause it works more frequently than fucking "free market" nonsense.
 
Let's not beat around the bush here. Although libertarians tend to support positive social legislation, as a political ideology it is farcical, peddling an economic standpoint that can best be described as reckless and dangerous. It is impossible to take seriously.

It's a bit like anarchism in that respect. It might work in some perfect post-scarcity, post-political utopia (perfect communism in the true sense) where we can hand responsibility off to godlike AIs, but not in this world.
 
Honestly, there are some highly insufferable people in this world who in my view just about deserve the 'SJW' label in its more derisive sense. But I don't see many on this forum. It's just not an accurate assessment.
 
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