2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VII

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Irvine511 said:
And, yeah, my taxes are still going up by a lot.
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At least Bernie's tax plan is realistic in the sense that it admits that you have to dig into the upper middle class to fund significant social program increases.

It's an interesting dynamic. I think a lot of people in America are used to thinking that we can raise taxes on the billionaires and everything will be okay. But when you start to tax the upper middle class more, you start hitting a sizable constituency that doesn't feel like it has a bunch of disposable income to give to the government. Sure, there's never a worry about where the next meal will come from for this group. But when housing costs are psychotically high in the cities that tend of offer stable, upper middle class jobs (boy, it's nice living in Texas), when you have private school tuition and/or insane property taxes to best position your kids to also be upper middle class, when you have daycare, when you have a six-figure load of student debt from the professional degree that made you upper middle class, when you have kids who have to do mounds of expensive extracurriculars because that's what every other kid does and that's how you get into college, and perhaps when you're doing a bit of keeping up with the Joneses, it doesn't feel like there's a bunch of money left to give to the government. And this is a constituency much more sizable than that of the billionaires, and I think Sanders could really struggle with it in November.
 
digitize said:
At least Bernie's tax plan is realistic in the sense that it admits that you have to dig into the upper middle class to fund significant social program increases.



It's an interesting dynamic. I think a lot of people in America are used to thinking that we can raise taxes on the billionaires and everything will be okay. But when you start to tax the upper middle class more, you start hitting a sizable constituency that doesn't feel like it has a bunch of disposable income to give to the government. Sure, there's never a worry about where the next meal will come from for this group. But when housing costs are psychotically high in the cities that tend of offer stable, upper middle class jobs (boy, it's nice living in Texas), when you have private school tuition and/or insane property taxes to best position your kids to also be upper middle class, when you have daycare, when you have a six-figure load of student debt from the professional degree that made you upper middle class, when you have kids who have to do mounds of expensive extracurriculars because that's what every other kid does and that's how you get into college, and perhaps when you're doing a bit of keeping up with the Joneses, it doesn't feel like there's a bunch of money left to give to the government. And this is a constituency much more sizable than that of the billionaires, and I think Sanders could really struggle with it in November.
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Very well stated.
 
If we would stop running colleges and insurance as a "for profit" scheme, things might improve.

I always thought we could take the billions of $$$ the NCAA makes and use that towards making education more affordable. Since you know, it's not about athletics, it's about the student first.


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BEAL said:
I always thought we could take the billions of $$$ the NCAA makes and use that towards making education more affordable. Since you know, it's not about athletics, it's about the student first.
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My school actually makes a tidy profit off of athletics, much of which makes it back to academics. The best professor I've ever had, for instance, is paid for by an endowment sourced directly back to athletics.

But this is pretty rare among universities, and it has gotten its own share of criticism. See: "the new plantation system".


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Headache in a Suitcase said:
Here's another way to make college more affordable... Stop making it a necessity. Encourage trade schools and apprenticeships out of high school. Convert certain majors into two year programs instead of four.
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I agree. There are so many majors that can remove so much bloat.


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It's hilarious and terrible at the same time. She demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of why people are supporting Sanders while also doing a thoroughly terrible job of simply campaigning for the presidency. I'm still going to end up checking a box next to her name in November, but my patience for the pundits ripping Sanders supporters thins by the hour.
 
I've heard that even during Clinton's presidency, nobody in the white house (at least Bill himself) never used computers, despite the fact that they were becoming more popular at that time (i remember my dad had one of those crappy windows laptops for work in the late 90s). so i am not surprised someone like Hillary or even their staff doing terrible job at campaigning using SNS.
 
I don't think this a slip up of technology where some intern got hold of the Twitter account and said something they shouldn't have. She's run a truly terrible campaign from the jump, which is why someone like Sanders even has a prayer. The availability of technology isn't the problem. It's Clinton and the people she surrounds herself with.
 
I'm sorry, but I still can't get over the accusation that having an issue with income inequality is a sign of privilege. It's quite literally the opposite. And she wonders why a lot of people on the left are so disenchanted. We're not demanding ideological purity. Some motherfucking perspective would be a start.
 
No, no, Donald. You as president is punishment enough for everyone.

Furthermore:

Fuck you. Seriously.
 
if he's getting the much coverage for doing insane things, Hillary and Bernie should do so. (I'm just kidding, but it feels like they might need to do it to get bit more exposure).
 
Will be interesting to watch the Libertarian party the rest of this year.

Gary Johnson Talks About Running For President | The Daily Caller

Only 3rd party on all 50 state ballots.

Bernie fans, don't scoff. Read it.

As disaffected Republicans muse about the possibility of backing a third-party candidate instead of Donald Trump in a general election, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, seeking the Libertarian Party nomination for president, says he sees a big opportunity.

“If this isn’t an opportunity for the Libertarian nominee — and I hope to be the Libertarian nominee — there will never be an opportunity, in my opinion,” Johnson said in an interview with several reporters at The Daily Caller’s newsroom this week.

Johnson briefly ran for president as a Republican in 2012 before leaving the party to become the Libertarian Party’s nominee, winning more than one million votes against Barack Obama and Mitt Romney.

He’s now focused on winning the nomination again at the party’s Memorial Day weekend convention in Orlando and suing the Presidential Debate Commission so his party’s nominee will be included in the general election debates.

“There’s no way that a third party wins the presidency without being in the presidential debates,” Johnson said.

Asked what he thought about libertarian-leaning Rand Paul ’s poor performance in the Republican primaries this year, Johnson said Paul is libertarian on economics but not on social issues.

“What’s disheartening is he’s got this libertarian label,” Johnson said, “which is applicable to half of what he had to say, but then on the social side, he’s a Republican. At the end of the day, he’s a Republican.”

Johnson argues his views are in line with most Americans. “I really believe that the majority of people in this country are libertarians, that we’re classically liberal at the end of the day, we’re fiscally conservative…but also we’re socially liberal. Who cares how you live your life as long as it doesn’t adversely affect mine?”

Johnson pointed out how he and Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders have similar views on foreign policy.

“Sanders, I think, is who I’m in line with when it comes to foreign policy,” Johnson said.

Johnson said he recently took a test online that tells you what candidate you agree with most “and I sided with myself 90 percent of the time, but then in second place, I sided with Bernie Sanders 73 percent of the time, which to me just spoke volumes of why he’s so popular.”

“Obviously, we’re 180 degrees when it comes to economics, but when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to crony capitalism, when it comes to Europe, a woman’s right to choose, marijuana, to me it spoke volumes as to why he is doing as well as he is,” Johnson said.

Asked if he has spoken with some of the conservatives who say they are interested in supporting a third-party candidate if Trump becomes the Republican nominee, Johnson said: “We’ve got a few of these meetings here, I’ve got a few of those meetings in the next few days.”

He also quipped: “I kind of don’t even know who they are and I’m kind of wondering why we’re even doing it, being they were Santorum supporters.”

With ballot access a timely and difficult thing for many third party candidates, Johnson said people looking for a third-party candidate should know his party will be on every state’s ballots.

“What’s not being reported right now, and I think should be, is that the Libertarian Party is going to be on the ballot in all 50 states,” he said.

Criticizing Trump, Johnson said: “I never said anything as crazy as I’m going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants, I never said anything as crazy as I’m going to build a fence across the border, never said anything as crazy as I’m going to kill the families of Islamic terrorists – who’s going to arbitrate over that?”

“He’s going to force the military to bring back waterboarding, and worse, torture, to detainees,” Johnson said. “Trump: ‘I’m free market!’ In the next sentence: ‘I’m going to force Apple to make their iPhones and their iPads in the United States.’ I’ve never said anything in my political career as dumb as any of those things.”

Asked about the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton, Johnson said: “The FBI may in fact present a preponderance of evidence that says that she should be indicted – but I can’t imagine that the Justice Department will do that. I can’t imagine it.”

“And, that aside, how do you get any more establishment than the Clintons and Democrat politics? You can’t. Is anything going to change with Hillary? No, nothing’s going to change.”
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trojanchick99 said:
Because Donald Trump hasn't been a big enough asshole yet.

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:doh::doh::doh:

This on top of the assholery of Utah and Indiana this week.
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Taken out of context. He was asked if abortion were to be outlawed, should there be punishment for women who get an abortion.
 
PhilsFan said:
I don't understand what she/her campaign thinks she is going to gain, though, other than making the campaign feel better about its direction?
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She really seems badly out of touch with the general public/middle class. Its scary that she's likely our next President.

(Its pretty scary that any of the 5 remaining candidates is going to be our next President)
 
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