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Old 03-31-2016, 10:42 AM   #121
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If Sanders is even close in New York, this could remain interesting.
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Old 03-31-2016, 11:07 AM   #122
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread - VII

I also think that the chances of Bernie clinching the nomination are starting to get really slim. If he doesn't turn out to be the nominee, I'll gladly support Hillary.
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Old 03-31-2016, 11:19 AM   #123
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Why is the only option to pay for health care drastically raising taxes anyways?

There will never be another grand-army conventional war. Cutting the defense budget could easily pay for universal health care, or at least enough that the cost to the individual tax payer would be relatively low. It's insane that any country feels the need to maintain such a ridiculously overpowered military for no good reason.
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Old 03-31-2016, 11:36 AM   #124
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Our allies should start contributing more to their own defense budgets so we aren't the World's Rent A Cops. Then again empowering certain actors in the Far East could lead to greater instability. Cutting the military budget to pay for Social programs sounds attractive on paper but has far reaching implications.


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Agree. Think of what we could do just lowering the military expense by 25%

Surely we can still be safe


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A 25% cut would still leave the United States with more than double the defense budget of China.

$150 billion free to spend on Americans (theoretically).
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Bingo. Let's start with getting our spending under control and get the most bang for our buck. Let's also work to close corporate loopholes and regulations on certain segments of financial industry who have gone unchecked.

Then, and only then, should we start talking about significant tax increases on the middle and upper middle class.
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Old 03-31-2016, 02:48 PM   #128
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Don't touch taxing the middle class as a whole right now. I know many people who haven't seen a raise in the past 5 years. Wages are stagnant. Health premiums keep shooting up. I know Bernie prefers a Scandinavian model of social spending. I think it's easier for those countries who's populations are under 10 million to get on board with and implement that spending regime. If the USA was 50 different countries I could see New England and Washington state able to pull it off.


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A 25% cut would still leave the United States with more than double the defense budget of China.

$150 billion free to spend on Americans (theoretically).
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China defense planning includes losing 30 per cent of their population as they ramp up eventually win the war. It's a good plan.
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Old 03-31-2016, 03:40 PM   #130
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China defense planning includes losing 30 per cent of their population as they ramp up eventually win the war. It's a good plan.
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i swear i'm going to throw my computer out the window if i have to witness one more dumbshit argument between Bernie Bros and Clintonistas on FB.
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I had my first one (in my own FB post) last night! My Hilary supporting friend was civil and kept his cool. My Bernie supporting acquaintance was kind of a dick about it.

Like, way to keep that stereotype going.
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I had my first one (in my own FB post) last night! My Hilary supporting friend was civil and kept his cool. My Bernie supporting acquaintance was kind of a dick about it.

Like, way to keep that stereotype going.


i feel like the Hillary folk hate the Sanders folk, whereas the Sanders folk hate Hillary.

as Sinead O'Conner once said: "fight the real enemy."

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but take heart. our next president will not be Donald Trump.


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as Sinead O'Conner once said: "fight the real enemy."
This. With the Republican Party imploding as it is right now, this is a great opportunity for the Democrats to show solidarity and try and combine the best of both Bernie and Hilary's messages into something worth voting for. If we want to have another Democratic president, we need to not be at each other's throats.

Obviously there's stuff worth criticizing in both Bernie and Hilary's campaigns or messages, and I appreciate that we're willing to have that discussion, and are actually thinking about what they have to say and offer. But in my eyes, that just means fans of one candidate have a great opportunity to go to events for the other and ask things like, "So what do you think about x or y issue? How would you address this or that situation? What's your plan to help _____ (insert whatever group of people you feel deserves a lot of focus here)" And so on. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation.

I get being upset if your favorite candidate doesn't get the nomination, but I don't get the refusal some people have to support the person who wins it instead. Considering who we're up against on the GOP side, we need as much support as we can get.
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