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Old 04-20-2016, 11:17 PM   #991
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I want her to be liberal. is that too much to ask?

But the far right thinks she'll push the "progressive agenda" more than Bern would


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Old 04-20-2016, 11:29 PM   #992
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I want her to be liberal. is that too much to ask?


I get that we want candidates to reflect our values and priorities, but don't we vote for the candidate who "best" reflects them? Voting is a zero-sun game. If you're not voting for Clinton in the fall you're voting for Trump, even if you don't vote at all. I recognize not voting as a form of protest, and that's fine, but don't be under any illusions that you haven't helped some else get elected.

We don't always get exactly what we want. Sometimes we go with the least worst option. A vote is not rare and precious. It's a right, and it's a tool. And that's it.
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If you're not voting for Clinton in the fall you're voting for Trump, even if you don't vote at all.

I entirely disagree and think this argument is such a logical fallacy. He doesn't have an obligation to vote for a democratic candidate solely based upon the fact that the republican candidate sucks. Nor is he "voting for Donald Trump." This is not a good argument, and undermines someone's right to not vote.

If he doesn't like Hilary Clinton, fine. Explain to him why voting for Clinton is still voting for a lot of what he supports. But don't draw that card... there's several possible outcomes of his vote, one including him actually voting for Trump due to his distaste for Clinton. As a simple form of statistics, he has never supported Clinton and continues not to support Clinton. The only individuals who are a "vote for trump" are the individuals who agree to support Clinton and do not vote.
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Then you have to throw in the Electoral College. I, for example, live in California which is arguably the hardest state in the union to flip red for Republicans. There's a handful that are more liberal, but their populations are far, far smaller and therefore it would take a lot less time and money to flip, say, a few hundred thousand votes there instead of millions upon millions here. Any scenario where Clinton is within range of losing California to someone like Trump or Cruz means she's already lost the election.
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It doesn't have to even be that complex. There's nothing fair about saying "you not willing to vote for the candidate that I want to win is the same as you voting for the candidate neither of us want to win." That's just not true.
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It's now at a point where the Democratic candidacy is more entertaining than the Republican one. I did not think that would happen. It's not because of Hillary or Bernie themselves, it's the fighting between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters. It is hilariously pathetic. Trump must be absolutely laughing himself to sleep.
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It's now at a point where the Democratic candidacy is more entertaining than the Republican one. I did not think that would happen. It's not because of Hillary or Bernie themselves, it's the fighting between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters. It is hilariously pathetic. Trump must be absolutely laughing himself to sleep.
Fucking seriously.

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Fucking seriously.

I now read this thread for comedy.
I think i should do that too.
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It's now at a point where the Democratic candidacy is more entertaining than the Republican one. I did not think that would happen. It's not because of Hillary or Bernie themselves, it's the fighting between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters. It is hilariously pathetic. Trump must be absolutely laughing himself to sleep.
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Fucking seriously.

I now read this thread for comedy.
Really, guys?
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Really, guys?
Yeah. The flaming Republican trainwreck is what it is, and no new locomotives have smashed into it for a while.

Meanwhile, the excruciating arguments between the Sanders and Clinton fans here continue to deliver on the laughs/cringes.
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"Bernie or bust" guys are actually funny, because it's fucking pathetic.
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Yeah. The flaming Republican trainwreck is what it is, and no new locomotives have smashed into it for a while.



Meanwhile, the excruciating arguments between the Sanders and Clinton fans here continue to deliver on the laughs/cringes.

Don't you think that series of posts comes off a little... holier than thou?
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