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Old 04-20-2016, 01:49 AM   #916
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A libertarian with socially conservative views is as much a libertarian as Bernie Sanders, who is after all no more than a libertarian with economically liberal views.


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Precisely why I don't claim to be a Libertarian. I have stated I have Libertarian leanings on many issues, but I'm not a pure Libertarian, which is why I don't identify as one. It would be false for me to identify that way. In fact, identity politics is killing this country.
I think the Federal Gov't. should do 2 things: military and building roads.
Leave nearly all other issues to the states.
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Old 04-20-2016, 01:52 AM   #917
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Which would be why I scoffed. The very essence of being a libertarian is containing both elements of being liberal in the hands off fashion. Don't control what an individual is allowed to do.



Though, I would argue that a libertarian is more likely to be "economically left" than "socially conservative." I know we've had this very discussion before. I see libertarianism as accepting of some forms of institution. Example: infrastructure. Social policies aren't up for debate, though... because the purpose of being a freaking libertarian is to move power to the people. It's about individualism. Being part-libertarian isn't really a thing.


I'm not an individualist, which is why I'm not a Libertarian. I'm more of a statist. Leave social issues to the states. Not mentioned in the constitution, defer it to the 10th Amendment.
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Old 04-20-2016, 01:55 AM   #918
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Didn't you at some point describe yourself as a libertarian with conservative social views?

To which I know I scoffed.

Anyways. Libertarianism isn't terrible. But those who call themselves libertarians in this country generally are unfavorable politicians in my books. And generally don't support the classical liberalism that I like.


Again, I agree. Which is exactly why I am rejecting the notion I am libertarian. Many conservatives claim to be Libertarian and they're not. Heck, many conservatives claim to be conservatives and they're not.
All irrelevant titles that we bestow upon ourselves so we can identify with certain people to create an opposition.
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Old 04-20-2016, 01:56 AM   #919
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Are you aiming for the blaze of glory approach to ending your forum stay? Keep up this ridiculous tirade and I'll happily oblige.


Haha. You offer a view contrary to the MODS, so they threaten to ban you. Wonder why your website is dying?
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Old 04-20-2016, 01:59 AM   #920
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:10 AM   #921
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I'm not an individualist, which is why I'm not a Libertarian. I'm more of a statist. Leave social issues to the states. Not mentioned in the constitution, defer it to the 10th Amendment.

But the same people who adhere to this are ALWAYS the same people who complain about social issues anyway. Case in point you using the incredibly annoying pejorative 'SJW'. If you're a 'statist' then why do people campaigning for various forms of social justice annoy you? Who cares? Let them do them.

"Leave it to the individual states" has always seemed to me to be code for "let's ignore the problems of the underprivileged".

For a Sufjan fan you're being a bit of a dick
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Let's not beat around the bush here. Although libertarians tend to support positive social legislation, as a political ideology it is farcical, peddling an economic standpoint that can best be described as reckless and dangerous. It is impossible to take seriously.
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I'm fucking fine with libertarianism if it is SUCCESSFUL for once. look at Gilded age. Look at 1920s. it didn't end up so well, as you will see and the regulations ultimately saved the issues. whatever FDR did stabilized the financial market so much and saved US economy. that's why 50s was amazing time.

that's why I advocate democratic socialism like whatever Bernie or Scandinavian countries are implementing. 'cause it works more frequently than fucking "free market" nonsense.
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Let's not beat around the bush here. Although libertarians tend to support positive social legislation, as a political ideology it is farcical, peddling an economic standpoint that can best be described as reckless and dangerous. It is impossible to take seriously.
It's a bit like anarchism in that respect. It might work in some perfect post-scarcity, post-political utopia (perfect communism in the true sense) where we can hand responsibility off to godlike AIs, but not in this world.
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Haha. You offer a view contrary to the MODS,
If you call that to "offer a view contrary" than I seriously pity anyone who has to deal with you on a somewhat regular basis.
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Rant over.
Throw your typical condescending and SJW responses at me, I couldn't care less.
So much for that
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Honestly, there are some highly insufferable people in this world who in my view just about deserve the 'SJW' label in its more derisive sense. But I don't see many on this forum. It's just not an accurate assessment.
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There's maybe one or two that I can think of, but generally speaking that's not an issue around here... and certainly not any of those who he was debating with.

I just hope Bono is okay.
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Donald Trump Vows to Make Bono Great Again.
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