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Old 04-18-2016, 07:48 PM   #796
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Ireland is really good about dual citizenship for Americans (I am a dual citizen of Ireland). However, the opposite is not the same. You can't be a dual citizen in the United States unless you're born into it. So, he'd have to renounce his Irish citizenship to get US citizenship. Something he most likely did not do.
You're supposed to renounce in the Oath of Allegiance but many people don't actually renounce and as a matter of policy the US government no longer prosecutes them or insists on it. Also anybody naturalized before they turned 18 is exempt.

I agree with you though, they're not dual citizens.
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I hope Edge's dual citizenship is okay
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Old 04-18-2016, 08:17 PM   #798
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You're supposed to renounce in the Oath of Allegiance but many people don't actually renounce and as a matter of policy the US government no longer prosecutes them or insists on it. Also anybody naturalized before they turned 18 is exempt.

I agree with you though, they're not dual citizens.

It's not just based upon when you turn 18. There are exceptions for dual citizenship based upon where you're born, and who you're born to. If another country sees you as a citizen upon birth, i.e. you are naturalized in another country, dual citizenship is allowed and you are not expected to renounce any citizenship.

The U.S. government doesn't prosecute it or insist upon it from the perspective of dual citizens of the United States and Canada. They turn a blind eye, due to the commonness. However, I was making a reverse-case example. In the event that an American goes to apply for citizenship in another country, they will lose their U.S. citizenship. Basically, the U.S. is welcoming of people coming in and keeping dual citizenship, but not a happy camper when you try to go and get dual citizenship with your U.S. citizenship being your only citizenship.
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I think the biggest part of the numbers game with NY in particular, is the amount of delegates it removes from the equation. Even if Bernie loses by 1 point. HRC gets like 10 more delegates from him. But it takes away, the second largest delegate prize going forward.
Exactly. And a sizable Clinton victory in New York makes Sanders have to do so much more work going forward that it becomes virtually impossible to come back from his delegate deficit.

As it currently stands, Sanders is 88 delegates "off the pace" according to the FiveThirtyEight tracker. It's probably a little less than that since he's likely to flip a few more delegates into his column from caucus states as his supporters are more likely to actually show up at the county and state-wide conventions.

California is worth 475 pledged delegates alone and the FiveThirtyEight projection only had him needing to beat Clinton by three delegates there in a 50-50 race. He has almost two months until that primary and trails her by a very narrow margin compared to how far back he was in a lot of other states where ground was made up fairly quickly. The fact that he was behind by only like 10 points in December in California and the fact that Latinos in this state are gravitating towards him and the fact that he's now basically tied nationally means a ten point victory in California (55-45) isn't out of the question whatsoever. Ten points would be roughly 48 more delegates than Clinton and cuts down his current delegate deficit to "be on track" from 88 to 43. If you're an onlooker that's wondering why Clinton has been so worried, it's precisely because Sanders still has a viable shot at winning the pledged delegate lead.

For the record, the FiveThirtyEight course from months back expected a three delegate win in New York for Sanders in a race that was tied nationally. Basically, a 1% victory. Losing tomorrow puts him off course by however many delegates he loses by plus the three he was supposed to win by.

Finally, Maryland is going to be a real interesting case as it's pretty much the only state remaining that expected a big Sanders loss even if things were tied nationally. FiveThirtyEight expected an 11 delegate loss there for Sanders, so he could technically lose Maryland by a closer margin and actually gain on Clinton as it would mean far less ground to make up in the other states.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/...ets/democrats/
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Basically shatters the myth that Clinton is raising money mostly for the DNC when she conducts these big fundraisers such as the Clooney one.

Clinton-DNC Joint Fundraising Raises Serious Campaign Finance Concerns

NEW YORK – U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign on Monday questioned “serious apparent violations” of campaign finance laws under a joint fundraising deal between Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee.

The questionable dealings were detailed in a letter from Brad Deutsch, the attorney for Sanders’ campaign, to U.S. Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the chair of the DNC. The letter questioned whether the Clinton presidential campaign violated legal limits on donations by improperly subsidizing Clinton’s campaign bid by paying Clinton staffers with funds from the joint DNC-Clinton committee.

Unlike Clinton’s presidential campaign committee, Hillary for America, the joint committee may accept large donations of up to $356,100. The first $2,700 of this amount is eligible for transfer to the Clinton campaign, $33,400 can be transferred to the DNC, with any remaining amount, up to $10,000, to each participating state party. According to public disclosure reports, however, the joint Clinton-DNC fund, Hillary Victory Fund (HVF), appears to operate in a way that skirts legal limits on federal campaign donations and primarily benefits the Clinton presidential campaign.

The financial disclosure reports on file with the Federal Election Commission indicate that the joint committee invested millions in low-dollar, online fundraising and advertising that solely benefits the Clinton campaign. The Sanders campaign “is particularly concerned that these extremely large-dollar individual contributions have been used by the Hillary Victory Fund to pay for more than $7.8 million in direct mail efforts and over $8.6 million in online advertising” according to the letter to the DNC. Both outlays benefit the Clinton presidential campaign “by generating low-dollar contributions that flow only to HFA [Hillary for America] rather than to the DNC or any of the participating state party committees.”

The questionable outlays “have grown to staggering magnitudes” and “can no longer be ignored,” Deutsch added.

The expenditures on advertising and fundraising are at best “an impermissible in-kind contribution from the DNC and the participating state party committees” to Clinton’s presidential campaign, the letter said. “At worst, using funds received from large-dollar donors who have already contributed the $2,700 maximum to HFA [Hillary for America] may represent an excessive contribution to HFA from these individuals.”

In addition, the joint committee has paid the Clinton campaign committee $2.6 million ostensibly to “reimburse” the Clinton presidential campaign staff for time spent running the joint committee. The unusual arrangement, Deutsch said, “raises equally serious concerns that joint committee funds, which are meant to be allocated proportionally among the participating committees, are being used to impermissibly subsidize HFA through an over-reimbursement for campaign staffers and resources.”

“While the use of joint fundraising agreements has existed for some time — it is unprecedented for the DNC to allow a joint committee to be exploited to the benefit of one candidate in the midst of a contested nominating contest,” said Jeff Weaver, Sanders’ campaign manager.





The joint committee "reimbursing" the Clinton campaign has to be the biggest joke of them all, but it's even more ludicrous when this money raised is mostly being spent on Clinton herself.
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He's also married to an American. I wonder if he has dual citizenship?
We know Bono doesn't have it. He wouldn't be able to recite the Pledge of Allegiance without a teleprompter.
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We know Bono doesn't have it. He wouldn't be able to recite the Pledge of Allegiance without a teleprompter.


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So Hillary will win today, but does that mean we're done with this nomination process?

all i see on my FB feed are how the NY primary is "rigged" because not open to independents, or 100k registered Dems aren't being allowed to vote...

is this a new thing? or how it's always been?
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New York has an incredibly early registration deadline for its primary, and people who weren't even thinking about the election in October and were not already registered Democrats (independents or not registered to vote) can't participate today.
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So Hillary will win today, but does that mean we're done with this nomination process?

all i see on my FB feed are how the NY primary is "rigged" because not open to independents, or 100k registered Dems aren't being allowed to vote...

is this a new thing? or how it's always been?
Yeah this is how it's always been. While I don't necessarily think the primaries are set up the best way, it's not like it's "rigged", that's just the Bernie supporters going over the top as usual.
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I don't think it's rigged, but plenty of people who usually have an issue with voter suppression tactics are oddly fine with this.
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So Hillary will win today, but does that mean we're done with this nomination process?

all i see on my FB feed are how the NY primary is "rigged" because not open to independents, or 100k registered Dems aren't being allowed to vote...

is this a new thing? or how it's always been?

No, not a new thing at all. The 100k people being purged or whatever the story is, of course very troubling. It can and does happen, and it looks like they can cast provisionals, but still shitty.

But the closed primary is nothing new, and in my opinion, it is what every contest in every state should be. Caucuses are clownshows that are probably the worst way to get a representative group of voters.

But the important part to me is this. Remember that primaries are not elections. They are a process that an established political party uses to nominate the candidate they think will be the strongest to win for them in the actual election.
All this moaning and groaning, and yes manipulation by Trump and Sanders is really annoying to me.
A closed primary makes sense in a few ways. One, it drives voter registration to your party for the general. If you have to be a Dem or Rep to vote in the primary, it gets people that might not chose a party, to take a side and hopefully be a valuable member for years to come.

Second, it cuts out the shennanigans. No offense to bernie people here, but Michigan was most likely lost because of Dems so sure hillary would win that something like 7% of voters crossed over to be spoilers on the republican side. And I'm sure vice versa.
How does this seem like its furthering the whole "democracy" argument being made?

And lastly, i think its the best way for us to finally get to a viable third, or even fourth party system! If every contest was a closed primary, the large number of Indys that now exist would be much more likely to rise up and create a real legitimate new party, that they could fund, run, and make rules for just like the two main parties do now.
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It's not the closed primary, it's the primary registration deadline being 6+ months ahead of the primary.
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Basically shatters the myth that Clinton is raising money mostly for the DNC when she conducts these big fundraisers such as the Clooney one.



The joint committee "reimbursing" the Clinton campaign has to be the biggest joke of them all, but it's even more ludicrous when this money raised is mostly being spent on Clinton herself.
Exactly. I detest Hillary and DWS.... both corrupt to the bone but sadly I will have to vote for her if Bernie doesn't get the nom just to avoid the Donald, the king of the oligarchs from winning.
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It's not the closed primary, it's the primary registration deadline being 6+ months ahead of the primary.
I agree. I think a 2 or 4 week lead time would be much better.
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