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Old 04-07-2016, 08:42 PM   #451
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Obama won California at the top of the same ballot. Had he come out in favor of gay marriage, it could have convinced enough people, particularly black voters, to say "no" to Prop 8. So yes, his stance at the time is completely relevant.

That's a big what if, and a poor understanding of the climate then. So I'm guessing you'll blame Sanders political stance on guns for pushing that issue back years?

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I wish people would stop calling Bernie Sanders' supporters "Bernie bros." That was an actual individual group of supporters. It refers to specific Sanders supporters.
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I wish people would stop calling Bernie Sanders' supporters "Bernie bros." That was an actual individual group of supporters. It refers to specific Sanders supporters.

Come on, one even used the word "bro" in one of his responses.


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Bernie Bots?
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We should have just gone with McCain
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Come on, one even used the word "bro" in one of his responses.
That was to irritate the Clintonistas in here. Glad it worked.
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That's a big what if, and a poor understanding of the climate then. So I'm guessing you'll blame Sanders political stance on guns for pushing that issue back years?

No need, I know your answer.
Not sure what you're referring to...Sanders has always been down with banning assault rifles.
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I'd like to know if my 97-year old Floridian grandpa is still all in for Trump.

But part of me doesn't want to know.

I'm going to visit him in a few weeks. I might have to ask.

Or I might not.
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I particularly despise "bros." frat boys. Whatever you wanna call that stereotype. Those supporters are very real for him, for sure. And they are irritating as fuck. The "suddenly politically motivated" type. But I don't think it's accurate of all of his supporters.
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this argument is so futile because we can't get into Hillary's head.
Obviously. We will have our answers when she's likely elected President in a few months.

Funny enough, unless she really does want to "compromise" and sell out the American people with the Republicans, she's probably going to actually present herself as a leftist leader taking strong stands against these morons. After all, it's where Obama basically ended up after five years of actually attempting to work with the other side and getting nowhere. He'd have been better off drawing a line in the sand rather than pissing off the far left by trying to get Republican votes on legislation that would never materialize.

I mean, what does Clinton really have to gain by working with Republicans on anything other than budget negotiations and procedural stuff? Yet I really feel she wants the history books to list off her "accomplishments" and, sadly, the only way to pass significant legislation in her term(s) will be to go along with the neanderthal R-my.

Lord knows where the Democratic party will end up going as they've continually moved to the far left (especially over the last ten years)...yet a lot of their members they had no problem going along with Bill Clinton on legislation that was anathema to what they stood for...time will tell.
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That was to irritate the Clintonistas in here. Glad it worked.

I'm neither, but nice try.

You ARE the stereotype, and you know what, it's a shame. Most in here have expressed that we agree with many of Bernie's views, you could have easily come in here and tried to win over hearts, but the stereotype ends up being a cancer to revolution. Ironically it may end up being his supporters that kill his chances.


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His supporters have only helped. Most of the ones turned off by it are turned off by the mere fact that someone is challenging Clinton. End of.


In lighter, funnier news:

Shock poll: Clinton neck-and-neck with Trump in deep-red Mississippi | TheHill
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You ARE the stereotype, and you know what, it's a shame.
Stereotype of what, exactly? I said nothing personal about Clinton or her supporters in this thread, just merely stated my opinions. I guess that translates into a tone issue which seems to be a problem for anybody supporting Sanders, I guess.

I'm certainly not holding anybody else's feet to the fire and acting condescending as hell like some people are in this thread.

And BVS, cut the crap, we all know which box you're going to check off. This thread is loaded with people that are trying to pretend like they're objective and open-minded and yet will always come back to the same conclusion that Clinton is the correct choice. It's patronizing and incredibly transparent.
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yeah, see, this is exactly what's wrong with our politics. ossification and an unreasonable demand for purity used to be only for those on the right.

as a homosexual (i love saying that), i totally understood that Obama couldn't take a pro-SSM position because, shock, it would have, at the time, meant that he would be in danger of losing votes that he needed to win the election. i knew, instinctively, that he was pro-SSM, and would one day be pro-SSM, and that if i were patient, and voted for the right people, and continued to make the argument, and if he continued to make incremental change (like DADT), that eventually the time would come. i'm not a child, so i didn't demand to be catered to or that my own individual concerns were so important that they were more important than other concerns, nor do i think that my vote is something rare and precious that must be courted and won, like some maiden's virginity. politics is a zero sum game, and it's a long game, and it's more important to assemble a coalition and run a national party that works together for achievable common goals than to be so sure of our rightness and so intolerant of other viewpoints and ways of life and the fact that, gosh, change *is* hard for some people, that we sacrifice the good for our own self-absorbed ideas of perfection.
Very well said. I have absolutely no doubt that he was pro-SSM well before '08, but it wasn't politically expedient for him to come clean on it, at the time. He's an intellectual, liberal lawyer, for christ's sake, I'm not sure of a hetero stereotype that would be more pro-SSM.

Reading his bios, I also suspected, but was less sure, that he was probably an atheist, or at the very least, agnostic, at least for a time, and that he began attending church in Chicago for the sense of community and connections it offered, rather than for spiritual reasons. I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't changed and he's more of a secular believer now, but that was the sense I got from his discussion of that time period.
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