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Old 04-07-2016, 03:45 PM   #391
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So there was a Mitt Romney revolution as well? How exciting!
Do I see a strawman?

Seriously though, if Bernie wins the nomination I'll vote for him. Just think some of his fans are getting way too wrapped up in the Obama/Hilary hate.
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Old 04-07-2016, 03:51 PM   #392
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Well, we're just excited about potentially having a liberal President for the first time in decades.
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Ugh....Bernie fans....
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Old 04-07-2016, 03:54 PM   #394
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Hey, bro, I support those that get things done. He's the ammendment king.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...t-king-1995-2/


Whereas Clinton sponsored a whopping three pieces of successful legislation while in the Senate...



That's Clinton "getting things done" #HillarySoQualified
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Ugh....Bernie fans....
yep that unfortunately sums things up.
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Yeah, those pesky Bernie supporters posting their facts and truths! My god, the horror!
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i got to admit. too bad he wasn't black like Obama , which helped him win the votes in South.

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no way people were race-blind during that election
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I tend to always stick with my own race when it comes to voting.

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What revolution did Obama have? He entered with a bare Senate majority where Republicans used every trick in the books to delay progress and it only got worse from there.

Where were the rallies and marches in support of the ACA? Where were the people lining up in streets for a minimum wage increase?

There was nothing. No mobilizing of voters. No local political groups to help shape public sentiment. Nothing. Hell, even in a lot of states, Democratic voters often checked the Obama box and then hung out the Democrats down ballot to dry. This is clearly evident in the nationwide House results which were always millions of votes worse for the Democrats. If he couldn't even get people to bother to fill out their ballots completely, what did you expect to happen?
Sorry to be a wet blanket here. But there will be absolutely no difference in what happens in the aftermath if Bernie is elected. THey will quickly evaporate. His largest base of support is the single most unreliable voting block in existence.

Case in point. In the Wisconsin primary. One of the most important elections on the ballot was for WI supreme court. A full 16% of Bernie voters, voted for Bernie and left the rest of the ballot blank. Only 4% of Hillary voters did the same thing. The writing is on the wall, and it's because Bernie himself radiates this to his supporters. Anyone but him, and chosen few are the real progressives. Screw everyone else.

Obama had a LARGER coalition, a much, much more diverse coalition, and a coalition that was just as fired up and dedicated as Bernie fans.
The reason that we keep hearing that turnout is down across the board is because its getting compared to Obama's unprecidented numbers in 2008.

Also, throw this in the mix:

Bernie has for the most part cynically taken the DEM name. Did he have to, in order to have a chance? Yes. And I'm ok with that. BUT
Should he then be an active part of the party workings and actually fundraise and support other members of the party? Hell YES. Has he? Hell No.
In fact, he pretty much has labeled anyone in the Dem party, other than those that support or endorse him, as sell-outs and "establishment"

This not only handicaps the fundraising efforts of the DNC, who help to run local and state Dems across the country. But do you think that Bernie, if nominated is going to throw his endorsement behind Dems that he has already labeled "establishment" and corporate shills??

The way this is going, it could be absolute disaster for the party at large. Him calling Clinton unqualified is another nail being driven in.
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Are we talking about the primary or the general election? And which one?

To think that Obama being black didn't help make him appealing to black voters is just pretty ludicrous. Voting around the country, particularly in major cities recently, has shown that minorities tend to go towards candidates in their party that are from the same background. Hence black mayors getting re-elected with ongoing corruption charges/allegations or Ed Lee still having very high approval among San Francisco's Asian community, etc.

Percentage-wise though, it's kind of meaningless in a general election. The share of blacks voting for the Democratic nominee for President barely budged when Obama was their choice. But turnout? Went way up to the point where black women now have the highest of any group in America. Period.
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Hey, bro, I support those that get things done. He's the ammendment king.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...t-king-1995-2/


Whereas Clinton sponsored a whopping three pieces of successful legislation while in the Senate...



That's Clinton "getting things done" #HillarySoQualified
Unlike Bernie that also had 3 in 25 years, 2 of which were naming post offices. LOL
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Are we talking about the primary or the general election? And which one?

To think that Obama being black didn't help make him appealing to black voters is just pretty ludicrous. Voting around the country, particularly in major cities recently, has shown that minorities tend to go towards candidates in their party that are from the same background. Hence black mayors getting re-elected with ongoing corruption charges/allegations or Ed Lee still having very high approval among San Francisco's Asian community, etc.

Percentage-wise though, it's kind of meaningless in a general election. The share of blacks voting for the Democratic nominee for President barely budged when Obama was their choice. But turnout? Went way up to the point where black women now have the highest of any group in America. Period.
Sounds like a revolution.

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As far as fundraising goes, I see why Bernie shouldn't be doing it for the DNC. If he's against big money in politics, then he's against big money in politics. Having events that cost $300,000 to attend like that Clooney dinner would mean Sanders would be accepting corporate donations on behalf of the party. That makes no sense for him to do that. It's everything he's against.
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Unlike Bernie that also had 3 in 25 years, 2 of which were naming post offices. LOL
Yes, but he had a Republican House for most of that time and also passed that insanely high number of roll call amendments despite that whereas Clinton had...

...drumroll....


ZERO!


But she had no problem sending thousands of Americans off to their deaths in Iraq. She made sure to check that box when it was politically convenient.

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