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Old 07-24-2016, 10:29 PM   #76
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part XI

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Meanwhile, the GOP might want to start worrying about the Republicans who are horrified that Trump is representing their party, and that the party has gone as far to the right/crazy as it has, to the point that they're willing to vote for Hilary.

Believe it or not, I like Donald Trump as an individual more than the Romneys and Cruzses of the world. At least I get a kick out of his comments on occasion.

That being said, I have never been more offended by a ticket in my life. As an American and as a human being with a moral compass, the concept of a man being nominated not in spite of but on the strength of ruthless capitalism, unchecked ego, explicit racism and casual misogyny makes me want to vomit.

It's never been clearer to me that this country is full of people driven by spite and a streak of regressive nationalism that threatens to set the country back decades. Our potential VP did just that in Indiana already by accelerating the trend Mitch Daniels began and made the state a laughingstock. He's but one of many harmful influences that Trump has already surrounded himself with, which is important because we know, politically, he'll bend with the breeze.

I stopped feeling any pride for my country the moment we collectively opted to do nothing about the way we distribute firearms following the slaughter of 20 children, but the direction being taken by one of our two relevant parties has only heightened my resentment.

Despite my trepidations with Hillary, I will go out and vote. But it's only to keep the ship from sinking immediately. There's so much about our electoral process that's backwards and broken that I'm not confident we'll find a real, positive difference maker any time soon. It's all very discouraging.
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You're not alone, however. The Western world over, it seems there has been a big rise in this anti-establishment, anti-PC, anti-common fucking sense movement.

In the UK, the Remain crew tried to campaign with common sense and with facts. It was seen as flat, uninspiring, boring. Leave campaigned boisterously, trumpeting fear, xenophobia, all that. Similar-ish things happening here with xenophobes getting elected like Pauline Hanson. Same thing happening in the States with Trump.

The facts didn't matter in the UK.

The facts don't matter to Pauline Hanson voters in Australia.

The facts don't matter to Trump supporters.

Which is why I don't think Hillary is going to shit this in.
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I'm amazed so many Americans are comfortable with the fact that Trump's campaign is making the US a global laughingstock. At least Bush didn't make American politics the butt of everybody else's jokes and headshaking until he got into power. Obama did a lot to restore America's international reputation and that has been almost completely lost by Trump's campaign already.

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This is getting really rich

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Ah yes, honesty, is that when something you said is quoted to you verbatim and you deny that you ever said it?
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Ah yes, honesty, is that when something you said is quoted to you verbatim and you deny that you ever said it?

Who would do something like that??
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I don't know any of these people you speak of except sourpusses like Romney and Lindsey Graham.
They're sourpusses because they dare to think that nominating someone like Trump makes what should be a legitimate, respectable party look like a total laughingstock and a three-ring circus? Mmkay.

And I believe Irvine has mentioned a few Republicans who've expressed support for Hilary in recent threads. And I know Republicans who can't stand Trump, either. Trust me, they're out there.

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I think the math and energy will be on our side when the day comes.
If you say so.

(Funny you talk about a post-fact world, BVS-John Oliver just touched on that in his show earlier.)

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Believe it or not, I like Donald Trump as an individual more than the Romneys and Cruzses of the world. At least I get a kick out of his comments on occasion.
I haven't cared for him well before this election just 'cause he always struck me as utterly obnoxious and pompous. That said, yes, he is unintentionally funny sometimes with the things he says and does.

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That being said, I have never been more offended by a ticket in my life. As an American and as a human being with a moral compass, the concept of a man being nominated not in spite of but on the strength of ruthless capitalism, unchecked ego, explicit racism and casual misogyny makes me want to vomit.

It's never been clearer to me that this country is full of people driven by spite and a streak of regressive nationalism that threatens to set the country back decades. Our potential VP did just that in Indiana already by accelerating the trend Mitch Daniels began and made the state a laughingstock.

I stopped feeling any pride for my country the moment we collectively opted to do nothing following the slaughter of 20 children, but the direction being taken by one of our two relevant parties has only heightened my resentment.
This. All of this. If the only issue with Trump was that he was about as honest as your average politician, fine, whatever. Politicians are dishonest, and in other news, water is wet.

But holy shit, the party he represents is utterly terrifying. Instead of trying to reenergize and perhaps move to a more moderate sort of policy, they've doubled down on an extreme anti-gay platform (while simultaneously nominating a man who's been married three times-yay, traditional family values!). They're hideously restrictive and ignorant when it comes to women's health issues.

They've got people who legit believe Obama is a Muslim/communist-socialist-dictator hybrid/not really born in the U.S.. They have Rick freaking Santorum in their party (sure, voters have rejected him when he's run for president, but the party seems intent on following his belief system), and recently David Duke, of all people, came out in support of Trump, which should REALLY tell you something (after all, if who a candidate associates with, or who supports them, truly matters the way the right keeps insisting it does when it comes to Obama and Reverend Wright or Bill Ayers, then I think it's only fair we look at and judge Trump by the people who support or associate with him, too. Right?).

They can't seem to discuss immigration policy without insulting and stereotyping an entire group of people in the process. They want to ban or "vet" Muslims (even if Trump's not serious about the ban, many of his supporters seem to think that's a legit good idea, and many politicians are okay with "vetting" Muslims). They also can't talk about welfare reform without insulting poor and working class people and calling them "lazy moochers".

The GOP is truly fucked up in terms of their policy and attitude towards certain groups of people, and Trump is pretty much the epitome of all that is wrong with that party (though I do agree that I don't feel he's homophobic the way the GOP as a whole is, so...yay for that, at least?). And that is the biggest reason I cannot bear to support them, and why it mystifies me that people who may not always agree with much of the above would still think to support them.
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Got to keep anyone below the age of 40 from getting too close.
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Only other plus about Tim Kaine is that he likes The Replacements. Maybe after electing the first Replacements fan for VP we can elect the first President who surfs?

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man i thought this thread was gonna explode after that email leakage. especially after the DNC chair resigned.

but i guess you guys are "better natured" than that or whatever
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If you say so.

(Funny you talk about a post-fact world, BVS-John Oliver just touched on that in his show earlier.)

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Here are some numbers and energy from polls released this morning. Pushing Trump into the RCP poll average lead.

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Only other plus about Tim Kaine is that he likes The Replacements. Maybe after electing the first Replacements fan for VP we can elect the first President who surfs?




Ahhh. Tulsi Gabbard. She butted heads with DWS over the number of debates and Debbie yanked her ticket.


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Here are some numbers and energy from polls released this morning. Pushing Trump into the RCP poll average lead.

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Yeah, should be interesting to see if he can sustain the push, but history suggests that he won't. Historically, after both conventions, the polls return to what they were before the conventions took place.

My only concern here is that Trump had been gaining before the conventions took place.
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man i thought this thread was gonna explode after that email leakage. especially after the DNC chair resigned.

but i guess you guys are "better natured" than that or whatever

Forget DWS. It's a good thing.
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Two things to consider before getting excited about numbers, polls, and energy at this point.

1. One side has had their convention, the other hasn't. History shows most candidates get a little bump after their convention.

2. They have not gone head to head yet. I think this will be the true test as to if there is a big enough shift in math to help Trump. Trump can't debate, he can throw insults which some of you think is great, but as long as Hillary can stay away from certain traps Trump will lose energy after any debates they have.
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http://bust.com/living/16756-the-rnc...16dtM.facebook

The irony is how many will be discarded into a trash bin???

Not 100% sure if this is true, but the fact it COULD be is worth sharing


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