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Old 07-22-2016, 02:34 PM   #916
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If trump is elected, I will be less safe.
But you live in a rich area, it doesn't matter!
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Old 07-22-2016, 03:11 PM   #917
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Warren would have been my first choice. My second would be Corey Booker. He's not as experienced, but with Hillary on the top of the ticket, he wouldn't need to be. Kaine is blah.
This would have been the opportune time to take a chance on an up-and-coming politician like Booker, given that this election is in the bag for Clinton (barring some kind of catastrophic misstep on her part). At least I hope I am right about that.
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I don't think Kaine does anything to sway Bernie voters. Granted a percentage wouldn't come over even if Bernie was the pick, but I feel Hillary loses a chance to get a good amount of those voters that sit on the fence.
How many Bernie supporters do you really think will hold out from voting for her, though? I know some of them have been really vocal about it, but I don't think that Bernie-or-bust crowd is really all that large. I mean, I voted for Bernie in the primary, but I'll vote for Clinton in the general without even a second thought. Granted that's anecdotal, but I think a more common mentality than Bernie-or-bust.
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Wall Street Journal weighs in

Sen. Tim Kaine Seen as Clinton’s VP Pick - WSJ


concerned Democrats weigh in

Liberals press Clinton not to pick Kaine for VP | TheHill
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if it is Kaine, it shows that Clinton is going to try and pick off mainstream Republicans, especially women and potentially a few men.

and if she wins VA, it's pretty much over by 9pm. and she should win VA no matter who is the VP pick.

again, barring catastrophe. i just can't imagine that that speech last night -- which, i'm hearing, was lower rated than Mittens 4 years ago -- went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.
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It's entirely dependent on how many Bernie supporters were registered members of the party or independents that always voted with the party...like practically everybody that vote for Clinton in the primaries, those votes were basically always guaranteed to go to the D in November.

But everybody else including people like me that have never been part of the Democratic Party structure? Those are votes that are going to be very tough for her to win. Maybe it's a few million, maybe it's five hundred thousand. Who really knows...picking Kaine is going win over zero new converts and probably even be a detriment all things considered. But at the end of the day, she wants someone who fits her neoliberal politics and can work alongside her. That sure as hell isn't Warren.

I'm so glad it's not Booker. He's a solid guy (watch Street Fight) although he leans heavily on Wall Street, but the issue is pretty freakin' obvious...he's young and he's black. If you're against having political dynasties then you should be damn happy that Clinton didn't pick Booker because he'd win the primaries with ease, even if his sort of politics are further and further removed from the party's center as the years go on. As I said earlier, Kaine ensures that it's a wide open field in 2024.
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if it is Kaine, it shows that Clinton is going to try and pick off mainstream Republicans, especially women and potentially a few men.

and if she wins VA, it's pretty much over by 9pm. and she should win VA no matter who is the VP pick.

again, barring catastrophe. i just can't imagine that that speech last night -- which, i'm hearing, was lower rated than Mittens 4 years ago -- went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.
She won't pick off any of them because they'll be concerned with who is at the top of the ticket. Plus, the neoliberal politics of Kaine and Clinton and their pro-Wall Street stances and money are exactly the sort of thing that Trump can point at and continue to win over the diasffected in the heartland.

She'll win VA with ease, but the election night is not over simply because she wins that state. The trifecta of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida are going to determine everything with Clinton's success in the other swing states dictating how many of that trio she has to win.
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if it is Kaine, it shows that Clinton is going to try and pick off mainstream Republicans, especially women and potentially a few men.

and if she wins VA, it's pretty much over by 9pm. and she should win VA no matter who is the VP pick.

again, barring catastrophe. i just can't imagine that that speech last night -- which, i'm hearing, was lower rated than Mittens 4 years ago -- went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.
You always know how to put my mind at ease in regards to November .
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She won't pick off any of them because they'll be concerned with who is at the top of the ticket. Plus, the neoliberal politics of Kaine and Clinton and their pro-Wall Street stances and money are exactly the sort of thing that Trump can point at and continue to win over the diasffected in the heartland.

She'll win VA with ease, but the election night is not over simply because she wins that state. The trifecta of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida are going to determine everything with Clinton's success in the other swing states dictating how many of that trio she has to win.
I think you are right about OH, FL, PA
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went over well to anyone who doesn't frequent the comments section of conservative websites.

Those are some of the scariest corners of the internet. Trump won't get accused of plagiarism because no one who knows what that word means can get past the first 5 or 6 without getting nauseous.


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She won't pick off any of them because they'll be concerned with who is at the top of the ticket. Plus, the neoliberal politics of Kaine and Clinton and their pro-Wall Street stances and money are exactly the sort of thing that Trump can point at and continue to win over the diasffected in the heartland.



She'll win VA with ease, but the election night is not over simply because she wins that state. The trifecta of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida are going to determine everything with Clinton's success in the other swing states dictating how many of that trio she has to win.


She's already targeting them, Kaine would only underscore this, not be the draw himself. He's not well known enough to be any sort of incentive. He would reinforce the central message of her candidacy -- we are experienced adults and we know what we are doing. The alternative is unacceptable.

Winning VA would indicate that the ground game is working, indicating that it will work well in the big 3 states.

I also don't think that PA and OH are the dystopic zombie-filled wastelands Trump described last night. It's insulting to think everyone living in these major states is some pissed off lunch pail Joe who wants to fight.
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I don't think winning VA at all is indicative of those others states. It's home to some of the richest people in the country and a lot of DC insiders along with an influx of young, liberal leaning people (the latter point being the same for NC).
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I think Trump needs to win all three to have a chance.

Clinton has more wiggle room.

Let's get to the debates and see what happens


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i know this would never happen, but could hillary theoretically pick bill for vp?
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Hillary just lost 1000s of votes in VA
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