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Old 07-13-2016, 06:17 PM   #331
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You're only invalidating those polls because they don't fit your narrative of Clinton being the stronger candidate. That's it.

You can either accept polling as a science or ignore it all completely. You can't just pick and choose. The only information we have is the polling that says Sanders probably would have done better against Trump and there's no other evidence to say otherwise. Accept it and realize that the Democrats threw away a blowout victory in order to honor someone they've done so much for yet have received so little in return.
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Bernie couldn't even beat crooked, lyin', has-been Hillary. He wasn't even close. All he's ever had to do is convince a few white people in liberal Vermont to vote for him every 6 years after he fled Brooklyn.

How could he hope to take on the GOP?
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Stop with comparing the primaries to the general election. It's apple to oranges. You're automatically saying Trump is the best possible Republican candidate in the general election if that's your logic.

"How is Clinton supposed to win the Electoral College when she has no prayer to even win Washington state because Bernie crushed her there?"

See? It's fucking stupid.
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You're only invalidating those polls because they don't fit your narrative of Clinton being the stronger candidate. That's it.

You can either accept polling as a science or ignore it all completely. You can't just pick and choose. The only information we have is the polling that says Sanders probably would have done better against Trump and there's no other evidence to say otherwise. Accept it and realize that the Democrats threw away a blowout victory in order to honor someone they've done so much for yet have received so little in return.

I've never played pick and choose with polls, that's my point.

You blindly pick the polls that feed your narrative, you never looked at the fact that he's an unknown compared to the rest of the field, that he was never really vetted by media or other candidates. In that same group of polling that you kept bragging about that showed Sanders doing better against Trump head to head also had Clinton beating Sanders when it was just them head to head, so explain that science...


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Stop with comparing the primaries to the general election. It's apple to oranges. You're automatically saying Trump is the best possible Republican candidate in the general election if that's your logic.

"How is Clinton supposed to win the Electoral College when she has no prayer to even win Washington state because Bernie crushed her there?"

See? It's fucking stupid.

Are you drunk posting again?


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What is there to explain? Clinton consistently fared better in the primary polls than Sanders and defeated him in the primaries as expected. What does that have to do with how they would fare in the general election?

It's rather disturbing just how many of you can't wrap your heads around the simple logic that a smaller group of voters in a given party's primary doesn't reflect what will happen on a national stage when far more are casting ballots.
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Are you drunk posting again?
We had people making those exact statements during the primary, such as Headache arguing that the Democrats would lose Florida if Bernie were the nominee because he lost badly there to Clinton.
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What is there to explain? Clinton consistently fared better in the primary polls than Sanders and defeated him in the primaries as expected. What does that have to do with how they would fare in the general election?

It's rather disturbing just how many of you can't wrap your heads around the simple logic that a smaller group of voters in a given party's primary doesn't reflect what will happen on a national stage when far more are casting ballots.

Some of those discrepancies were within the same polls, same audience.


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Come on now, I've been very consistent on my positions with polls and haven't posted any polls in here trying to backup any view.


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bernie being the candidate woulda meant 300 electoral votes instead of the 350 that hillary's gonna get.
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I'm at a loss to understand the thought processes that suggest Candidate A performing much better than Candidate B in the primaries means that Candidate A will perform worse than Candidate B in a general election.

And I am closer to Sanders in ideology than I am to Clinton.
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Isn't he still a firm believer in polls?


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Clearly the candidate who was too far left for the Democratic party, and got destroyed by Clinton, was going to do better in the general, guys. Polls taken before anyone actually vetted the guy said so.

If you believe otherwise you're just a Clinton fucking sheeple fan boy.

God jeez why is this so hard to understand?
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Poor Bernie Sanders, everyone pictured him like a wannabee nordic european savior with his socialist ideals. Pity the guy big time in the 21st century.
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Clearly the candidate who was too far left for the Democratic party, and got destroyed by Clinton, was going to do better in the general, guys. Polls taken before anyone actually vetted the guy said so.

If you believe otherwise you're just a Clinton fucking sheeple fan boy.

God jeez why is this so hard to understand?

I'm no "sheeple fan boy" but I think you are underestimating the amount of people who inevitably are jumping ship from Sanders to Trump.

Additionally, there's also the chance that Clinton supporters are far more likely to show up and vote for Sanders, whereas Sanders supporters are more likely to cross their arms and not show up at all, or vote for Jill Stein or whatever.

I think it's a bit more complex than the way you're painting it. Not saying Clinton won't do better than Sanders would've, but I just don't know if we could ever truly know.
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