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Old 07-13-2016, 12:38 PM   #316
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Yep, same here. Too much for me to live comfortably. If I were still in Des Moines, I could probably still be OK, but living in San Diego, losing anywhere from 700-900 bucks a month is too much.

His tax policy wasn't as aggressive at the top as I would have thought. I am by no means an elite, 1%. Hell, I'm probably barely upper middle class, and yet his plan seemed to hurt me more than someone who made 3x as much.

I think these ideas are worth pursuing, but only if it's in a logical way. To just scream Wall Street and CEOs isn't going to cut it. His plans just didn't seem to make sense, and were based on major assumptions of the economy.

But guys, he's the greatest human being who's ever been. He had 25 years in the Senate and renamed a few Post Offices. His record speaks for itself

I am VERY curious to see if Clinton holds onto these college and health care plans that she's adjusted to pull in more from the left. I do have my doubts, but I think realistically she'll put them up, and congress will shit on it. She'll get the blame though.

Which reminds me I feel like Obama and the Dems got a bit of a pass for the original ACA. They controlled both houses, and still couldn't get the public option thrown in. That is probably my biggest disappointment in his time here. That and some of the Iraq/Libya stuff too. But in the latter, I feel he was acting in the best interests and dealt a shitty hand
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:42 PM   #317
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Hey PhilsFan new Quinnipiac PA state poll with Johnson & Stein included has . . .

Trump +6






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The most important thing a president can do for the middle class is ease existing student debt and mitigate future student debt. IMO this is the foremost economic issue facing the United States right now, because what you are seeing is entire generations being delayed in making basic investments in property, business, or even life choices like having kids. On the other side parents are having to dedicate some of their nest eggs to their kids in need of support as adults. Every young person who comes out of college with 500+ dollars a month in debt retards the economy.
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The most important thing a president can do for the middle class is ease existing student debt and mitigate future student debt. IMO this is the foremost economic issue facing the United States right now, because what you are seeing is entire generations being delayed in making basic investments in property, business, or even life choices like having kids. On the other side parents are having to dedicate some of their nest eggs to their kids in need of support as adults. Every young person who comes out of college with 500+ dollars a month in debt retards the economy.
Good point on the life choices of having kids. Even though my household is generally well off, the fact that we're dishing out well over $1,000 per month in childcare is ridiculous, which is making it much harder to save for the future. And that's probably on the bright side of the middle class.
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A fucking commie is running for president! Dey tuk err jerbs!
But the guvmint would give them all back...
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Nahhhhhhh. It would just confirm how much our country is going to hell! A fucking commie is running for president! Dey tuk err jerbs!
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Oh believe me, if you read a Breitbart article or listen to am radio they're still trying to attach this label to Obama and Hillary as much as they can.
Hoooo, boy, they never gave up on calling The Clintons some variant of socialists communists! since the 90's.



Let alone that Commie! FDR for Social Security etc
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anitram.. guvmint

I hadn't seen that version of anti-government alternate spelling 1-word commentary like -
here in 'Merica.


thank oreg - I see my post was a bit unclear. Fixed
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College debt relief is definity high on middle class families, or potential families list. Continuing to make health more afford, too. More decent paying job especially at the lower middle class level.

Yeah, I sure wish President Obama had left the public option on the table... but...

there still is a back door way to get to it.
Yes, it will take more time at first.. The ACA allows a state (along w other experiments in health care delivery/costs ) to try the Public Oppotion!

I believe Vermont is in the process of working this up. Bernie

It's a possibility because that's how it started in Canada; in one of it's Provinces!
When people started seeing g how good it was- dominoes falling on private health care.
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THIS actually existed...
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Oh this magic polling, that you've been asked to about and failed to produce everytime.
No, I was referring to the heads-up matchup polling that consistently showed Sanders doing much better against Republican candidates.
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No, I was referring to the heads-up matchup polling that consistently showed Sanders doing much better against Republican candidates.

As we explained over and over, don't put too much stock in early polling that puts party vs party and the candidates haven't even been chosen. Sanders never truly got vetted. And saying that that polling shows a big swing left and that socialism is now acceptable is a huge leap.


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No, I was referring to the heads-up matchup polling that consistently showed Sanders doing much better against Republican candidates.
Give credence to the polls that show your preferred remaining candidate doing well.

You can't put too much stock in those 'other' polls.
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Give credence to the polls that show your preferred remaining candidate doing well.



You can't put too much stock in those 'other' polls.

Come on now, I've been very consistent on my positions with polls and haven't posted any polls in here trying to backup any view.


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