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Old 06-22-2016, 05:39 PM   #16
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*Looks at the Falwell/Trump Tweet/photo*

There's a terrifying combo.
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*Looks at the Falwell/Trump Tweet/photo*

There's a terrifying combo.
Look closer...

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Well it could be coincidence, OR it could be that non paper states are less liberal and diverse, they have no control on exit polls regarding these states, who's more likely to take an exit poll, etc, etc... You know real aspects of a study.
Well, for one, you're off on the "non paper states are less liberal and diverse" as the states without a paper trail had results that were far off from where you would expect them based on the makeup of voters in those states. So, no, there clearly is a major mathematical discrepancy going on.

However, I will contend that the infographic everybody is posting is rather pointless as Clinton winning such states by a 65-35 margin is absolutely meaningless if they just happen to be the same states where Sanders performed poorly. It's misleading and doesn't get to the underlying problem at all.

But they did mention the idea of Sanders voters being more likely to take the exit poll, but then pretty much threw that idea out. It would have to mean that Sanders supporters are multiple times more likely to stop and answer the questions than others. Not an impossibility though.
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OMG, totally missed that !

That's hilarious.
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I don't really understand the furor over Hillary's supposed ties to Wall Street. Wall Street isn't inherently evil;

The key is it has to be well-regulated; if not, it will run amok just like any other industry. If Hillary does have allies in the high levels of the financial sector, that could end up being a good thing in terms mitigating the moral hazard that so often plagues finance.

The first part of your post that I quoted really comes down to one's thoughts on Capitalism. Those of us on the far left feel there's basically nothing that can stop profit motive from taking precedence over everything else and therefore Wall Street is inherently greedy. Doesn't mean the individuals themselves are awful people, mind you, but pretty much every corporation in existence will justify or ignore any wrongdoing in order to be more profitable.

Sure, Wall Street being more and more well-regulated is exactly what needs to happen in order to level the playing field and ensure that major mistakes like the last financial crisis never happen again. But why on earth would Clinton being chummy with these people make it a good thing? You're right now witnessing how NRA/gun lobby money is literally preventing Republicans from stopping thousands of people from dying every year. Why would Clinton not do what her financial backers want as well, especially when her husband cozied up to Wall Street with free trade deals and basically no pro-union help over his eight years?

Time and again, no matter the politician, we see them unable to ignore the interests of their biggest financial backers, hence the worry over Clinton. If you were a big player on Wall Street, would you really donate money to someone you thought would lead to tighter regulations on your industry, and thus, lower profit margins?
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Well, for one, you're off on the "non paper states are less liberal and diverse" as the states without a paper trail had results that were far off from where you would expect them based on the makeup of voters in those states. So, no, there clearly is a major mathematical discrepancy going on.



However, I will contend that the infographic everybody is posting is rather pointless as Clinton winning such states by a 65-35 margin is absolutely meaningless if they just happen to be the same states where Sanders performed poorly. It's misleading and doesn't get to the underlying problem at all.



But they did mention the idea of Sanders voters being more likely to take the exit poll, but then pretty much threw that idea out. It would have to mean that Sanders supporters are multiple times more likely to stop and answer the questions than others. Not an impossibility though.

Aren't the majority of paperless states in the south?

But absolutely Sanders voters are more than likely to do an exit poll; they're younger, many are first time voters, and as many of us have stated they're more excited about their vote.




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OMG, totally missed that !

That's hilarious.
That's right... the leader of the Evangelicals and his wife posing with Trump in front of a Playboy featuring Trump on the cover with a porn star
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Sure, Wall Street being more and more well-regulated is exactly what needs to happen in order to level the playing field and ensure that major mistakes like the last financial crisis never happen again. But why on earth would Clinton being chummy with these people make it a good thing?
Because more regulation is in everyone's best interests in the long run. I think this is a different situation than under Bill, where it was looking like deregulation would result in perpetual growth. Call me an optimist, but I think some lessons from the 2008 crash have been learned, and someone like Hillary with some inside connections is in a better place to negotiate those reforms, however minor they may be, than a firebrand like Sanders.
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Are you trying to say that threatening the very existence of these people isn't the best way to bring them to the table? Poppycock!
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That's right... the leader of the Evangelicals and his wife posing with Trump in front of a Playboy featuring Trump on the cover with a porn star

"It's OK" said Falwell. "They don't show penetration."


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