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Exactly. It's the distance our military gets to have from the damage and the deaths that tends to particularly bother me with drone strikes. Plus, yeah, drones may be advanced and more precise...but it's still technology, and technology can fail sometimes.
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I think one of our biggest problems with our foreign policy is that we don't really seem to work in connection with the people that live there when we come into a country, or at least, it doesn't feel like we're doing near enough of that. We need to stop trying to set up their governments for them and stop trying to act like we know their area of the world better than they do, 'cause that doesn't seem to really be working. And it makes us come off as incredibly patronizing and arrogant, too. Instead, if we're going to continue to get involved in foreign conflicts, we need to actually work with the people there. Make it a joint effort to rid their country of terrorists or dictators or whatever other threat they're facing. Because I do think there are ways we can and should help without getting all pushy and imperialistic about it, ways that I think people in those countries would actually appreciate and welcome. And then we need to let the people decide for themselves how they want to rebuild and reshape their country, and offer help and suggestions only if they want our input. That kind of respect and trust would go a long way, I think, in allowing other countries to look favorably upon us. |
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He actually said, "I love waterboarding" "I think it's great". No world leader should say that. Will he nuke Europe? We don't know, will he be reasonable or get drunk off power? Will he have a knee jerk reaction because of his paper thin skin? Seriously or not, he's an unknown and that kind of unknown his dangerous, so at the end of the day you have to take that seriously. |
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Now to be fair I don't think it matters as none of us who realize this will probably vote for him. The people voting for him are the ones who are actually taking him seriously and agreeing with him. |
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But currently, a president cannot just make that happen. The Geneva convention is a high hurdle. Not saying he wouldn't try to get around the laws, or put orders in place to circumvent things. I am first on the list of being terrified of him anywhere near the white house. On a lighter note. In his incoherent, unhinged rant of a rally yesterday, he said this I was the first person to ever use the word 'rigged', everything is rigged... No one had said that before me. I asked some longtime political pros if anyone had ever used the term 'rigged' before and they said, No, you're the first one. LMAO!! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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The US does what it can to avoid collateral damage with Drones. I do not believe that we purposely bomb weddings, schools, missionaries, etc just because. We received what was believed as credible information, and sometimes it's wrong. It's horrible, but inevitable in war.
Drones and the use of special forces have done more to take out terrorists than invading countries and destabilizing the region. I see it as a middle ground of all out invasion, and complete withdrawal from the region. I also believe that the US Military goes to great lengths to pay reparations to the families/victims of strikes gone bad. I was listening to a podcast of a former special force vet, who's new job is going around the country doing seminars on leadership (among other traits) who said in Iraq, and other countries, if the US made a mistake and killed innocents, or just destroyed their homes and lively-hood, we made payments, and even tried to help rebuild what was lost. Does it make up for a death, or even loss of history/home? No, but it's not as brutal as a bunch of grunts coming in, shooting up the place, and then leaving. |
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My mistrust is more related to the U.S. government who makes these foreign policy decisions much of the time. Especially since some of the government officials who make these decisions don't seem to have the military know-how or experience that would be helpful/necessary to make these calls. Having said that, however, in regards to Obama and his administration, I honestly do believe that he is, like you noted in your post, trying to find a middle ground of keeping us involved while trying to minimize death and destruction as much as possible. I would definitely not place him in the "warmonger" category. |
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Yeah but a week before that he probably said torture is evil. Obviously we dont know what to take seriously. But if there's one part you should take seriously, it's his tactical placement of wordbombs that make the media freak. I think it's not ridiculous to say Donald Trump lies about all of his extreme viewpoints, minus perhaps his xenophobia. His life leading up to his "republican transformation" is evidence of that. |
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Well, I don't think my point was whether or not he could do these things. I was making a point about how everything he says is just a freaking joke. He's got no idea what he's doing. You shouldn't be worried about whether or not he loves waterboarding. We've had presidents waterboard before. You should be worried about how when Donald Trump gets into office, he won't have a fucking clue what he's doing at all. That's what scares me the most. |
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I think you and I are on the same page, my response was more to LN7 saying that we shouldn't take Trump seriously. Which I agree with in theory, it's just that if we can't take seriously anything he says (because yes, it's ridiculous), then what do we do with him as a candidate? I mean I guess I go back to why the hell is he still up there...
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I suppose I'm not so much saying "don't take him seriously" as I am saying "don't waste your time legitimizing his banter." We should be focusing on how this man is not fit for just about any political office, let alone POTUS. Don't ask yourself whether or not you want a wall that Mexico will pay for. Ask yourself whether or not Donald Trump made that up on the spot... the real danger of Trump isn't his desire to build a wall. It's the fact that he doesn't have a god damn clue what he's doing. |
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Chilcot, anyone?
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