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Old 03-14-2016, 10:25 PM   #586
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Cruz can't win. Trump can.

If Cruz somehow breaks through and takes the nomination, Trump goes third party and splits the GOP vote.

Trump wins, they all fall in line like the good sheep that they are.

I know polls are polls and not definite results, but they suggest Trump's reach isn't very high at the national level. Granted, we all know he knows how to climb, but it seems like what you're saying is currently opposite of the suggestion from the numbers.
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Cruz can't win. Trump can.
I read somewhere that Cruz won't get the nomination because he's so stubborn and extreme that he has no hope of winning over moderates, fence-sitters and disaffected Democrats. Which makes sense, but then can't the same be said for Trump..? Or is he winning these people over because he's that "breath of fresh air" etc?

Surprised to see Kasich not only hold on but gain a bit of strength. I thought he'd be long gone by now.
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Kasich is only doing good in the state he is from.
Trump can get working class voters that typically go democratic because they believe he is not controlled or influenced by big money. Clintons have lots of ties to big money.
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It all comes down to turn out. For the most part the dems benefit from the electoral college right now. But a GOP candidate that can excite voters might change the balance. Cruz doesn't excite voters, in fact he scares a lot of the senior portion and non southern conservatives. Fear, ignorance, and nostalgia are powerful and can excite, hence Trump is more dangerous.


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what the fuck is an 'electoral college'
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what the fuck is an 'electoral college'
where you go to get your degree in presidenting
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Funny how conservatives change their tune on working class Americans when they start pulling the wrong lever. This from the National Review, which was just defended here a few weeks back.
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what the fuck is an 'electoral college'
It is why this election comes down to 2,3, or at most 5 states that will determine this election. Most likely only 2-3 of the 50 US States will determine the winner.


15 minutes on wiki and you will be more informed than most Americans.
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what the fuck is an 'electoral college'
that's founding father's solution to prevent rich southerners from bitching about not having enough power. you know, guys who owned slaves and pretty racist, elitist even at 1700s standard.
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Trump can get working class voters that typically go democratic because they believe he is not controlled or influenced by big money.
I seriously can't believe Trump has successfully sold this to people. Of all the people in the race, he's the most tied to big money. Proof snake oil salesmen will always have a market.

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Oh Cobbler how have you got this far into US political threads without knowing about the electoral college! Friggin'.

In short, Americans don't elect their president by a national popular vote. In each state, they vote for a slate of electors who are pledged to support a particular candidate. These electors, 538 in total (hence the name of a certain popular website), then vote for the president. Since it's a foregone conclusion in most states whether their voters will select a Democratic or Republican slate, the race basically comes down to a few large swing states. That's why we always hear so much about places like Florida or Ohio. It is possible to win the national popular vote and lose the electoral college - and this has happened multiple times.

The electoral college seems hideously complex, anachronistic, and undemocratic today, but it sort of made sense at the time. Keep in mind that back then it was a pretty radical experiment in democracy. The Australasian colonies became even more radical from the 1850s to the 1890s with innovations like full manhood suffrage, the secret ballot, and women's suffrage. In the UK before the 1830s, the vote was so restricted that (off the top of my head) less than one-sixth of adult men were eligible, and even the electoral reforms of the 1830s mainly only extended eligibilty within the middle classes rather than working people.
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Funny how conservatives change their tune on working class Americans when they start pulling the wrong lever. This from the National Review, which was just defended here a few weeks back.
When deep automation finishes off the middle class in its turn, journals like this will be the ones proposing gas chambers.
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what the fuck is an 'electoral college'
It's what makes my vote mean more than everyone else's here.
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yeah actually Cobbler understanding this thread without knowing electoral college is actually pretty great
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It's what makes my vote mean more than everyone else's here.


Ok
But Donald will Trump Hillary in your state.
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