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Old 03-08-2016, 09:50 PM   #361
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I hate to say it but I agree. This is a very scary time in America.


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Old 03-08-2016, 09:59 PM   #362
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CNN points out that Trump dominates the airwaves. After they broadcast Trump selling stakes.
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I think the exact opposite, but it's moot, since the conventional wisdom thinks otherwise and thus it is unlikely Sanders will have the opportunity to put this experiment to the test. In point of fact, I think that a hypothetical Sanders-Trump election would very possibly lead to a blowout in the former's favour. You all are too carried away with America's appetite for nativist fascism, I think. Not saying the potential isn't there (Bush did get re-elected, after all), but I wonder.

The media is Trump's free publicity machine. The same media is trying its best to pretend that the Vermont senator barely exists as a legitimate candidate. And yet, and yet.
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And yet he's winning again tonight.

Polls say he beats Trump by a bigger margin than HRC.
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What both men are doing is speaking effectively to those who have been left in the dust by the globalization and deregulation of trade since the early 1980s. I agree that the nativist fascism is overblown, though it does have an appeal to those with little hope in the future and need someone to blame. (Trump blames immigrants, Bernie blames Wall Street).

The TPP has likely hurt HRC in Michigan. Sanders has really gone after her on that. I don't pretend to have the foggiest clue as to whether or not the TPP is aggregate good or bad, but the young white kids I know sure have a strong opinion on it. My guess is auto workers are inclined to agree with the kids.
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Bernie winning Michigan would be huge. I saw some polls as recent as a few weeks ago that had him losing by 10% or more.

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Polls say otherwise but, as noted above, polls are limited.
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:06 PM   #367
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Trump is 1 o'clock on a clock dial

Bernie is 11 o'clock on a clock dial

Opposite ends of the political spectrum, but their supporters both want to throw off the current political order. Their base voters are closer to each other on the clock then they're respective establishments.




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Trump is 1 o'clock on a clock dial

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I like Rubio clinging on as if Florida will change absolutely everything. Today was such a shitshow. Somebody stick a fork in him.
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Hey, Bernie won, people. I guess Michigan isn't so much of a band state after all.
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If BigMac's view is to overthrow the entrenched establishment rather a purity test of principles it is possible. I haven't read up on BigMacs reasons for supporting Bernie.


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CNN points out that Trump dominates the airwaves. After they broadcast Trump selling stakes.
I imagine the stakes are to be driven through the heart of the political establishment.
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Interesting article in Time about Bernie creating the left wing equivalent of the Tea Party, and how the message is more important than the messenger, and that a Clinton win or god forbid a Trump presidency could actually see the movement gather serious strength.
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If BigMac's view is to overthrow the entrenched establishment rather a purity test of principles it is possible. I haven't read up on BigMacs reasons for supporting Bernie.


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Did you mean "rather than a purity test"?

Do you realize how short sighted that is? Are you really that willing to give us an authoritarian just to say you got rid of the "establishment"? Do you realize how irresponsible and dangerous that is?

We ALL understand the desire to get rid of a stale establishment, but my god understand who you're putting in its place.


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