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Old 03-04-2016, 03:48 PM   #196
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Some of the Early elections in US were rife with dirty press rumors and slander. Jefferson - Adams comes to mind.
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Is this a game of how many different candidates you can endorse in one election cycle?

I've gone from Rand Paul-Cruz-Kasich.
I supported Rand for a year and then he dropped out, then I flipped from Cruz to Kasich. Not every candidate I talk about I necessarily support.
I actually still like Ted Cruz and should've insinuated that he sucks a lot less than the rest. I agree on almost every issue with Cruz, he just wouldn't be a great president. I'm more in the camp of anti-Trump, anti-establishment.

My rankings would look like this.
1 Kasich
2 Cruz
3 Rubio
4 Gary Johnson
5 Trump
...And there's no chance of me ever voting for a democrat.

But yeah, you're right. I've flipped a lot. I voted for Cruz here and he won big time. If I was in Ohio, I would have voted for Kasich. I just don't want Trump.
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I've gone from Rand Paul-Cruz-Kasich.
I supported Rand for a year and then he dropped out, then I flipped from Cruz to Kasich. Not every candidate I talk about I necessarily support.
I actually still like Ted Cruz and should've insinuated that he sucks a lot less than the rest. I agree on almost every issue with Cruz, he just wouldn't be a great president. I'm more in the camp of anti-Trump, anti-establishment.

My rankings would look like this.
1 Kasich
2 Cruz
3 Rubio
4 Gary Johnson
5 Trump
...And there's no chance of me ever voting for a democrat.

But yeah, you're right. I've flipped a lot. I voted for Cruz here and he won big time. If I was in Ohio, I would have voted for Kasich. I just don't want Trump.
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You liked Trump when he first announced, did you not?


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Old 03-04-2016, 04:38 PM   #199
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You liked Trump when he first announced, did you not?


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I liked his rhetoric early on because he talks the way I do. Ripping on Karl Rove, the media, etc made me like him, but I never seriously supported him. I was a very firm Rand Paul supporter for a long time. It's when he started the personal insults against Rand when I turned and then it's just progressively gotten worse. His psycho die hards have made me strongly anti-Trump. Not all his supporters are like the ones you see on Twitter talking about white genocide, but I can't associate myself with those loons. Also, he's much too authoritarian and liberal for me.
I've liked Kasich since day 1. Last summer I predicted the final five to be Rubio, Cruz, Trump, Kasich, and Paul with Rubio winning. I haven't gone from hating someone to suddenly loving them. I've always like Kasich, I've been a big fan of Cruz since he was running for the senate, and I'm obviously a big fan of Ron Paul which caused me to love Rand as well.


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His early rhetoric also called Mexicans rapists, deIf dealers, etc. and was also quite misogynistic.
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His early rhetoric also called Mexicans rapists, deIf dealers, etc. and was also quite misogynistic.

I don't think you understand...
The Mexican people cherish him and he cherishes Mexico....He also cherishes women...just ask Ivanka!


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His early rhetoric also called Mexicans rapists, deIf dealers, etc. and was also quite misogynistic.

Also I specified attacking Karl Rove and the media. And ultra specifically, Karl Rove. The few times that I still like Trump these days is when he trashes Rove, Krauthammer, etc.
On the Mexicans thing. I live in a city where about half of the population is Mexican. I have many friends who are from Mexico and have family that is from Mexico and/or lives there. A lot of the ones I talk to dislike Trump, but admit that a lot of what he says about illegals is correct. Some like Rubio or Cruz, but most vote for Hillary because they think it will be another 4+ years of Bill. Most Mexicans aren't as thin skinned as the media makes them out to be; a lot of them really don't care that much.
Plus, they don't care about the wall. They primarily use tunnels and underground pipes, like what they did to El Chapo.



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I've gone from Rand Paul-Cruz-Kasich.
I supported Rand for a year and then he dropped out, then I flipped from Cruz to Kasich. Not every candidate I talk about I necessarily support.
I actually still like Ted Cruz and should've insinuated that he sucks a lot less than the rest. I agree on almost every issue with Cruz, he just wouldn't be a great president. I'm more in the camp of anti-Trump, anti-establishment.

My rankings would look like this.
1 Kasich
2 Cruz
3 Rubio
4 Gary Johnson
5 Trump
...And there's no chance of me ever voting for a democrat.

But yeah, you're right. I've flipped a lot. I voted for Cruz here and he won big time. If I was in Ohio, I would have voted for Kasich. I just don't want Trump.
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So you'd vote for a fascist opportunist who you've admitted to hating before you'd vote for any Democrat?

And people wonder what's wrong with America.
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The flags over pyramids of grain everywhere are at half staff tonight.
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Hey, just jumping in here to see if anyone has read these two articles. Forgive me if they've already been posted:

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And in the meantime, the forces activating American authoritarians seem likely to only grow stronger. Norms around gender, sexuality, and race will continue evolving. Movements like Black Lives Matter will continue chipping away at the country's legacy of institutionalized discrimination, pursuing the kind of social change and reordering of society that authoritarians find so threatening.

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"The word explains so much about the appeal of Trump and his crusade against “political correctness.” Trump — and his sons — are living the dream of white guy assholes everywhere, of being allowed to be as repugnant, dismissive, misogynist, racist, and egotistical as you want, with the confidence that no one will say anything about it because you’re rich."
"People vote their aspirations, and it turns out, that for a lot of Republican voters, being a rich villain is exactly the fantasy they want to wallow in."
American Psycho for Prez: Donald Trump's Sons Epitomize the '80s-Style Yuppie Villainy of His Campaign | Alternet



I feel sick over the idea of a Trump presidency. Even if it doesn't happen (it will be close!), the racist American has risen and has made itself known. Amazing how our country elected a Black POTUS 8 years ago, and now is voting for a fascist racist. It's a backlash to all the progression this country has done. We're more divided than ever.
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Trump will not be president. No matter what.

He may win the nomination. But that's it.

My guess is the GOP is going to do everything it can to keep him under 50% of the delegates, fuck him over at the convention, he'll go 3rd party, and Hillary will win by a lot.

The village will have to be destroyed in order to be saved.

The GOP will rebound by 2020 and never let this happen again.

The important thing for Democrats is to turn out and for Bernie to use his money and appeal to help down ticket races. The census comes out in 2020. With it, redistricting. And with that, the opportunity to make things a little less gerrymandered.

There is hope.
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Also, and this is for the Bernie folk, Trump is an excellent argument for the existence of Super Delegates.
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Trump will not be president. No matter what.

He may win the nomination. But that's it.

My guess is the GOP is going to do everything it can to keep him under 50% of the delegates, fuck him over at the convention, he'll go 3rd party, and Hillary will win by a lot.

The village will have to be destroyed in order to be saved.

The GOP will rebound by 2020 and never let this happen again.

The important thing for Democrats is to turn out and for Bernie to use his money and appeal to help down ticket races. The census comes out in 2020. With it, redistricting. And with that, the opportunity to make things a little less gerrymandered.

There is hope.
I hope you're right. I'm going with the "hope for the best, expect the worst" mindset.

In the meantime...

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“Our catfish is shipped to China and brought back for us to buy. Put a catfish farm here.”

“All of us have some racism in us. Even me,” he added before stating — in reference to Trump’s inflammatory positions on immigration –that the United States is not obligated in any capacity to support illegal immigrants.

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Also, and this is for the Bernie folk, Trump is an excellent argument for the existence of Super Delegates.

Very good point.


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The village will have to be destroyed in order to be saved.

The GOP will rebound by 2020 and never let this happen again.

Didn't we say this in 2012 when Obama beat Mitt though? That they'd regroup and be much better in 2016? And now they've gone the other way!
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