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Old 02-22-2016, 10:04 AM   #616
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A Trump presidency (or, let's be honest, a Cruz one) would make the global view of the Bush years seem positive and laudatory. Think about how much work Obama's done to patch up relations since 2008. All of that will be undone, and more. I hate to think what subsequent presidents would have to do to restore America's global stature.

A Trump or Cruz presidency will absolutely be a step backwards, the problem is that their supporters see that as a good thing. It's a celebration of ignorance, it would be Idiocracy coming true to life. It's petrifying to think about.


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I fear that the dem voting base is not fire up, simply because there isn't a current problem.
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Old 02-22-2016, 10:36 AM   #618
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part V

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I fear that the dem voting base is not fire up, simply because there isn't a current problem.

What do you mean by "isn't a current problem"?

I think they're not fired up due to the candidates.


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Old 02-22-2016, 10:48 AM   #619
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What do you mean by "isn't a current problem"?

I think they're not fired up do to the candidates.


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That's true, but I also feel like president Bush leaving the nation in a shit hole turned a lot of moderates away from the right and vehemently opposing establishment GOP re-election.
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Old 02-22-2016, 10:58 AM   #620
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That's true, but I also feel like president Bush leaving the nation in a shit hole turned a lot of moderates away from the right and vehemently opposing establishment GOP re-election.

I see what you're saying. I have a feeling that all changes when a Trump or Cruz gets the nom.


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All hail Abenomics?
all hail the system that obviously doesn't work.
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If I were Rubio I'd be nervous about getting too many endorsements from establishment types. Haley, Gowdy, and Tim Scott are rockstars to the Republican base and that helped him in SC. If he gets Romney, Graham, and McCain to come out to support him that would drag him down when the electorate is in an insurgency mood.


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2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part V

I swear, there is no more cracked out US Representative than my very own district's Alan Grayson.

Dude is a staunch liberal firebrand. Lost his position. Redistricted. Won again in 2012. Probably the weirdest person in congress. Been accused of properly mismanaging his hedge funds for political benefit. He's pretty rich. In a big legal debacle with his wife of like many years. Seeking annulment on bigamy charges. Also seeking Marco Rubio's senate seat. Harry Reid asked him to step down. Surprisingly none of this actually hurts him.

Oh, and he is effectively pawning off his superdelegate by letting his supporters vote on it (which subsequently leads to a donate-to-his-campaign link).

I love this man, he's a riot. Here's an email he sent us:

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Dear Christopher,

My Tea Party foes can be very belligerent.

I started getting death threats from them in 2009. We kept them in a manila folder. It eventually grew into an accordion folder.

I didn’t let them knuckle me under. That’s one reason why I deserve your support before Thursday's deadline. Give $22.12 — our average online donation — to help us reach $1,000,000 online by the end-of-month deadline.

It irked me, greatly, when they dragged my children into this. I invited two of my kids to join me at an August “town hall” meeting. A national hate radio host gave out the meeting information, and invited his tea party storm-troopers to bust it up. Since space was limited, we opened attendance only to constituents – people who actually lived in my district. The tea party undead from outside the district, possessed by their hatred, circled the building and started to chant “F*ck Alan Grayson.” My children could hear it.

As I said, this irked me. But it didn’t get me off my game. I continued to fight against tea party lunacy, and for justice, equality and peace. That’s another reason why I deserve your support today >>

We reached the pinnacle of perfidy, the crest of contempt, the summit of shame, when I was in DC one day, about to vote on the Affordable Care Act. Some tea party wretch called my home number in Orlando. My five-year-old son hit the speaker button. Thinking that it was me, she said to my son, “if you vote for healthcare, I’ll kill you.”

I heard about it, and then I voted for healthcare. Healthcare for all. And to hell with her.

I won’t cave in, I won’t give up, I won’t retreat, I won’t submit and I won’t surrender. But I can’t do this alone. I need your help.

Help me keep my campaign going, no matter how viciously they attack me, by making your contribution now >>

I’m been standing up to all the haters for years now. Will you stand with me?

Courage,

Rep. Alan Grayson

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No, I won’t back down.
You can stand me up at the gates of Hell,
But I won’t back down.”

- Tom Petty, “I Won’t Back Down” (1989).
"I deserve your monetary support because the tea party sent death threats to me." Lol.
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Lulz. Trump is at 50 points in the most recent Massachusetts poll, 34 ahead of Rubio who is at 16.

Trump is at 35 points in Michigan, 18 ahead of Kasich who is sitting at 17 percent.

All those establishment types are going to be kicking themselves for wasting time quarreling with each other...unless people coalesce behind Rubio soon, Trump is going to seal up this nomination very, very quickly.



On a side note, it's a tie between Sanders and Clinton in Massachusetts. I'm sure he'll end up beating her there. I mean, god forbid he doesn't, the race would be over immediately and Sanders would basically be just piling up delegates in hopes of a Clinton scandal or health issue before the convention...which is basically what both Clinton and Sanders are planning to do if they're in the loser's seat by the end of this thing. Can't really blame 'em as the nomination's theirs if the other person doesn't stand up to scrutiny by the time the convention rolls around.

Clinton leads Sanders by 13 points in Michigan, but he still has plenty of time to catch her and has already outperformed his poll numbers in the states that have already voted.
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unless people coalesce behind Rubio soon, Trump is going to seal up this nomination very, very quickly.

Less than 20 hours ago you were saying Rubio had it in the bag



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There is a lot of logic behind the idea that Trump has a ceiling and once the riff raf are eliminated the establishment candidate left standing will surge past him.

It's not a crazy idea, and there are a lot of stats that back it (like the idea that almost all late deciders go with anyone other than Trump).

But the longer these dopes stay in the race, the more likely it is that this dipshit actually gets the nomination.
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He's like a cat chasing a laser light. His "analysis" on the previous page was based on Trump not being anyone's second choice...in a race of 6-8 people. Once it becomes Trump vs Cruz vs Rubio, Trump will be the 2nd choice of both Rubio and Cruz supporters. The establishment utterly despises Cruz. And Cruz folk utterly despise the establishment.

If his name were "Donald Jones", and Jones had won SC, NH, finished 2nd in Iowa, this would already be over. Not to mention destined to clean house on ST. His biggest hurdle is electability and ironically, because of his 'perfect storm' nature, he's the only electable choice they have. If he is not their nom, at this point, it would be stunning.
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I don't think trump has hit his ceiling, but I agree with the notion that he's got the latest anti-sentiment in the pack.

I'm just curious as to how RUBIO can successfully secure a majority. Ultimately I think Trump = Trump_i + Cruz + Carson and Rubio = Rubio_i + Kasich + Bush. The X factor is Ted Cruz. What percentage of Ted's base is strictly anti-establishment? And does that anti-establishment mindset win over the anti-Trump sentiment?
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part V

So there's whisperings of a former Trump campaign consultant coming out about how this whole thing has been an exercise in media manipulation. Even details as to how they'd be able to do this using very little of his own money and how the timing was chosen so that he could film Apprentice in case it didn't take off.

It's not sourced well right now, but man that would be the greatest "October" surprise ever.

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Well it's stating the obvious.

Ive personally been telling everyone that he spent time on WWE with the sole intention of learning mass public speaking in front of dumb conservatives, and getting firsthand witness as to how a heel or tweener character can be so easy to love.

It wasn't an accident.
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