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Old 02-10-2016, 01:00 AM   #31
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The money in American politics fucking disturbs me. That is deeply, deeply fucked up.
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The masses are feeling the sand big time tonight.
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And I wouldn't use "very sane and levelheaded" to describe anybody who is either libertarian or anti-vax.
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Hey America, let me introduce you to a wild concept: preferential voting.

There may be a lot of things wrong with Australia, but one thing we've done really well is our electoral system.
I feel like there's a lot of things we could take a cue from in regards to your country, as well as other allies.

As for Bernie's appeal among working class people, that doesn't surprise me at all. It is interesting that he did win a variety of other demographics, though. And rather cool.

That said, my mom's not quite 60, but she also really likes Hilary, so...
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You are not alone in feeling this way, believe me.
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I would be very happy with a President Cruz. I hope Bloomberg runs.


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You mean a president with the last name Cruz, not Ted Cruz as President of the United States. Right?
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The money in American politics fucking disturbs me. That is deeply, deeply fucked up.
I can't even imagine donating to a politician, or why the hell I would want to.
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You mean a president with the last name Cruz, not Ted Cruz as President of the United States. Right?

He means Rafael Eduardo "Ted" Cruz


I think a big takeaway from tonight is that Trump outperformed his polling. He is a movement candidate, a vessel to overthrow the DC party apparatus. Bernie mirrors this on the Democratic side. The American public is out muscling the political class. All of this made possible through the Internet and social media. A true inflection point in American political history if Trump and Sanders continue their rise.


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Yeah I don't think I'd do it, even for the Greens or Sex Party


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And the winners tonight defy that convention. Bernie is fueled by small donations. Trump is doing enough to earn free air time. Rallies, not spending cash on ads, consultants.


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I can't even imagine donating to a politician, or why the hell I would want to.

They might send you a Christmas card.


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And the winners tonight defy that convention. Bernie is fueled by small donations. Trump is doing enough to earn free air time. Rallies, not spending cash on ads, consultants.


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Whatever the source, they're still rolling in cash - and fixated on it or on sourcing donations - compared to here. It's weird looking at how often American pollies ask for money. You won't hear that much here, what with public campaign funding, donation limits, etc.
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Whatever the source, they're still rolling in cash - and fixated on it or on sourcing donations - compared to here. It's weird looking at how often American pollies ask for money. You won't hear that much here, what with public campaign funding, donation limits, etc.
It really is bonkers. I've never heard it here either. I think each party gets a fixed amount of money based on the number of seats they have in parliament or something to that extent at least.

Isn't all the money floating around the reason why organisations like the NRA are so powerful?
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2016 US Presidential Election Thread Part V

It's a big part of it, yeah.

One of the reasons Bernie Sanders has endeared himself to some is that he's a staunch supporter of publicly funded elections that theoretically eliminate private donations/bribes. But honestly, that's only half the battle. The fact that individuals are spending multiple billions on their campaigns is wasteful. We need to implement a strict cap on campaign expenditure. Even counting inflation, campaigns were never anywhere near as expensive as they are now.
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Except Bloomburg would hurt the D's like the unconscionable, unforgivable Nader in 2000. Too much risk.

President Trump or Cruz would make W look like Lincoln. And W was by far the worst president of the modern era.

The GOP would go into meltdown.
I just have a hard time believing that the country would vote for Trump, Cruz, or for that matter, Sanders.

I think if he gets involved and is allowed to run heads up against a socialist and a fucking clown car, Bloomberg is all of a sudden going to look pretty damn good to a lot of people. And he'll do very well I battle ground states like Florida,

Of this cycle has taught is anything so far, it's that America is ready for an outside, non establishment candidate. So why not be ready to vote for a third party candidate?
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I think Bloomberg hurts the Dems more than GOP. He probably wouldn't carry a state. He's not a known figure outside the NY-DC power corridor. His pro gun control, climate stance, nanny state controls will not endear him to any republicans barring spurned Rockefellerian Bush Donors bent on payback.


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There are a TON of fiscal conservatives who don't share the same antiquated racist bullshit that the GOP panders.
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